“When provoking a war of aggression, we will hit back, beginning with the US!”
- North Korean Posters: The David Heather Collection
- Prestel USA, 288 pp.
“Though the dog barks, the procession moves on!”
“Death to US imperialists, our sworn enemy!”
The images in the background of this poster are depictions of what can be called the classical instances of US imperialism in North Korean propaganda. From top to bottom: Kim Il Sung’s great-grandfather is said to have been involved in the torching of the USS General Sherman which had run aground off Pyongyang in 1866: the 1950 Sinch’on massacre that left over 30,000 men, women and children dead is attributed to US troops. The other examples are the 1953 armistice treaty ending the Korean War: the 1968 USS Pueblo spying incident: and the 1994 downing of a US helicopter which had inadvertently strayed over the military demarcation line.
-David Heather
“Prevention and more prevention. Let’s fully establish a veterinary system for the prevention of epidemics!”
Stylistically, North Korean art is far more than a mere copy of Soviet Russian socialist realism. As was the case with the revolution itself, North Korean socialist realist art had to accord with Korea’s specific historical conditions and cultural traditions. Kim Il Sung pronounced that “Korean Painting” [Chosonhwa], the indigenous post-revolutionary development of traditional ink painting, was the best representative of Korean styles and emotions. He made the essential features of Korean painting the model for all fine arts. Kim Jong Il in his Treatise on Art (Misullon, 1992) described the qualities of Korean Painting as clarity, compactness, and delicacy. These characteristics have become the standard applied to all art produced in North Korea. As such, they also form the basis and model for poster art. On the latter, Kim Jong Il had more to say in his treatise on art. As important tools in the mobilization of the masses, posters have to have an instantaneous impact on the viewers’ understanding and their desire to act upon this understanding. Their message has to be accessible, clear and direct; informative and explanatory, as well as exhortative. The link between contemplation and action is crucial. A poster artist is ultimately an agitator, who, familiar with the party line and endowed with a sharp analysis and judgment of reality produces a rousing depiction of policies and initiatives that stimulate the people into action. Only if the poster appeals to the ideological and aesthetic sentiments of the people will it succeed in truly rousing the people. Kim Jong Il refers to poster painters as standard bearers of their times, submerged in the overwhelming reality and in touch with the revolutionary zeal and creative power of the people, leading the way from a position among the people.
Posters are visual illustrations of the slogans that surround the people of North Korea constantly. North Korean society is in a permanent mobilization. Party and government declarations are stripped down to single-line catchphrases. Through their endless repetition in banners, newspaper headlines, and media reports, these compact slogans become self-explanatory, simultaneously interpreting and constructing reality.
-Koen de Ceuster
“Let’s drive the US imperialists out and reunite the fatherland!”
“Let’s extensively raise goats in all families!”
“The US is truly an Axis of Evil.”
“When we say we will, we will. We do not talk idly!”
“Wicked Man.”
“Do not forget the US imperialist wolves!”
From “North Korean Posters” by David Heather and Koen de Ceuster, with the permission of Prestel.
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August 27th, 2008 at 3:10 am
The sad part is that what Nth. Korea says about the US is true… The US is the world’s bully boy and the biggest bunch of thieving b’stards around. Didn’t Nth. Korea do as the US asked about Nukes and said if they stopped they would be taken off the “terror” list, which they did as asked and then the US reneged?? Does the word “hypocrisy” come to mind??
August 27th, 2008 at 6:19 am
Gman: You’re an idiot. Ask most of the older people of South Korea who actually experienced the Korean war if they feel they’d have been better off without the US intervening upon their behalf. The United States could have taken over the world after WWII as the only country with nuclear weaposn yet chose to shore up their former enemies by offering them foreign aid and setting then on a path towards democracy.
As far as North Korea goes, wasn’t it Bill Clinton who had secured the N. Korean govt promise to dismantle their nuclear facilities? They LIED. I’ll give the North Koreans “sympathy” when they start to complying with the United Nation resolutions.
August 27th, 2008 at 8:42 am
….and they all shouted in unison….”We will Serve the People!!”
August 27th, 2008 at 10:35 am
Posters make a good point. America’s actions have earned it a good ass slapping.
August 27th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
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August 28th, 2008 at 5:21 am
To Synoptix, thanks for the insult. It backs up what I said about the US. You must be a)American b)a Republican judging by your comments and judging by them, you are showing what a bully you are by calling me an idiot without addressing the facts about America being a bully. Looks like you learnt from your Govt how to do that rather well. Look at how Russia is being demonised by the US, yet, didn’t the US invade Afghanistan on a lie about Osama Bin Laden? The Taliban offered to give the US Bin Laden so that the US would not attack and guess what?, the White House said NO! Why not? Because Bin Laden is a dead CIA stooge and the Bin Laden and Bush Family are great friends! Oh, and let’s not forget about that little thing called IRAQ. Calling the kettle black don’t you think?? Also, check your spelling etc when posting because when one is ANGRY and cannot face the TRUTH, one makes mistakes… :o) Lastly, if I could build a nuke bomb, I would make sure I kept it secret too as I do not trust the US. Again, look at what happens when you don’t have nukes like IRAQ… Nth Korea hasn’t been invaded cause the US is afraid they have nukes…. GO IRAN!!
August 28th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
GMAN, your ignorance is showing.
August 28th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Is it just me or does the flag in the first one kind of look like Canada?
August 28th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Graham–
I thought it looked like Mexico and the U.K.
August 28th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
GMAN,
It’s no surprise that Synoptix is angry, you insulted his country, wouldn’t feel the same?
But if you believe that odd conspiracy theory about Osama Bin Laden, then I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
Lastly, Iran’s ‘government’ in it’s present state is tyrannical, watch and or read Persepolis by Marjane Satrapi.
Now, I will admit there are bad things that the US has done, I agree I saw no reason for entering the country of Iraq. But the choice already being made, Iraq’s development is improving, the US is beginning to clean up the mess it made and I do believe the people will benefit from it.
August 28th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
I don’t understand the goats, and yet I understand the goats.
August 28th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
“gman” is frightening.
telling lies and truth and putting all in the same bag, having any emotions for the korean people or whoever but just crying hate.
August 28th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
No country is perfect. All humans and their organizations make mistakes. However, when weighed upon the balance, I feel safe in saying that the USA has been kinder and gentler than some countries and has done more good than evil. Always room for improvement and I believe the USA is more likely to improve than N. Korea.
I also like goats.
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August 28th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
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August 28th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
I love the one about driving out the imperialists and reuniting the fatherland. I’m pretty sure I know which side of the demilitarized zone I’d rather be on. The one with sweet plasma TV’s.
Oh, and food.
August 28th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Synoptix, you need to look around you at the bigger world. The USA, as a result of its foreign policy blunders, is now hated by many nations and thought of as foolish by the rest. And that includes even our western allies. It’s sad, and regrettable, because I love our country – but the more I travel the more I see what we’ve done to our own image.
We need to return to being compassionate, and not thinking that respect can be demanded by military might. The longer we continue down this same path, the longer it’s going to take before our place in this world can be restored.
August 28th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
They have a great love for the goat. Very moving, heart-warming…
August 28th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
…and delicious.
August 28th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
I hate goats.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:11 am
It’s crazy how these posters make you think.
August 29th, 2008 at 3:40 am
Meh… It’s not like any North Koreans can read anyway…
August 29th, 2008 at 10:25 am
@BChan, what leads you to that conclusion? Stereotyping?
August 29th, 2008 at 11:15 am
Maybe he means english? N. Korean literacy is reported to be near 100%.
August 29th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Bchan: you think North Koreans cannot read… you must be joking. Their literacy rate is pretty high in these days.
These posters, which I actually saw some of them in North Korea, are pretty extreme, yet they describe how people think about the United States. Once it was a dream country where everybody was eager to stay, but today, if there are other options people try to avoid to come to the U.S. and rather go to Europe or Canada. It is sad. I think every country has good part and bad part, and people have to admit it instead of trying to defend your own country.
August 29th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
GMAN is mostly correct with his statements. I am myself american (I do not capitalize the word american anymore) and I’m totally ashamed at the mess this country has become.
George Bush is an assassin. Reagan was an assassin. Even Clinton bombarded the only manufacture in Sudan that was making drugs for 100,000 people a year. The initial reason of the bombardment: “we thought it was a weapon’s factory”. When they “realized” the mistake, they NEVER apologized, and NEVER returned one penny to Sudan. That bombing caused thousands of people to be deprived from necessary medication. The real reason behind it is the US could not accept that a country like Sudan be independent in terms of drugs production – those had to be purchased from Merck and the likes.
Anyone here defending the USA is either ignorant or blind. Read Noam Chomsky, the greatest intellectual of our era: facts, facts, nothing but facts. One of the best renowned British journals recently published an article proving that approximately 700,000 people have died in IRAQ since the US invasion. The United Nations has published that 5,000 kids were dying EACH month during the 10-year embargo in IRAQ. That’s 1.5 World Trade Center PER MONTH for 10-years. This is all documented. If you refuse to look at those facts, it’s YOUR problem, YOUR hypocrisy and you are an accomplice to those crimes.
Now, do you really think Saddam would have assassinated 700,000 civilians? And who is the imbecile here who posted that IRAQ is getting better? That’s plain ignorance. They don’t even report the daily casualties, because people don’t care anymore. But if you search the web and read the news sources that are not mainstream, you’ll find the real information. Just read http://www.alternet.org, an american publication.
Now don’t get confused here: I never said anything against the americans, per say. They are simply ignorant of their government’s actions. And if the USA was a small country and Canada the most powerful country in the world, Canada or any other country wouldn’t be more “moral”. Morality does not exist in international affairs. The only thing that matters is access to resources and the maximization of profits of some individuals (like George Bush, Tony Blair, Israel, etc.).
I see a lot of ignorance in this thread and I pity it. People obviously don’t like to diversify their information sources. TV and CNN and FoxNews seems enough for most of you here.
August 29th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Change the images to Korean or Iranian flags and soldiers and what have you got? G Dubya B’s message.
Demonize the “enemy”, a time-honoured tradition.
I wish I still had my poster, bought on the streets of London in the early 70’s. It read, “Stamp out the growing empire of US fascist imperialism.” Change ‘fascist’ to ‘political’ or ‘economic’ and you’ve got 2008.
Down with Coca-Colonialism!
August 29th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Oh yeah . . . mmmmm, goat!
August 29th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
100% literacy in N. Korea?? hahaha, that’s exactly what they want you to believe! Proves the propaganda posters actually work… ;p
August 31st, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Loving all the America bashing going on. Note that this is Korean propaganda. It’s designed to get people to hate America. Yet you never see posters in DC or New York Or LA Indicating Americans should hate a specific country.
Of course, everyone on this board will resort to “look at all the bads things America has done since Reagan”. I guess that means you preferred a weak America? The Post-Vietnam, economically crippled America? And who are these people we have harmed? A drug plant in Sudan? Tragic, but hardly an example of America’s supposed drive for hegemony.
And Afghanistan and Iraq? One harbored terrrorist training cells, and the other a madman who gassed his own people. So, after being provoked on 9/11, we attack Afghanistan. And when Iraq failed to prove it meant us no harm by failing to address it’s weapons systems, we invaded there as well. There real thing we AREN’T addressing here is America’s restraint. If we were the bully you paint us as, we’d have nuked Kabul and Baghdad. Would you prefer we do that instead, after these regimes continue to cause violence against Americans? Maybe America should return to it’s isolationist ways. Then when the rest of you get tired of having some totaltarian regime’s boot on your throats, send us a postcard.
September 1st, 2008 at 12:55 am
[...] 45. North Korean anti-America propaganda posters. [...]
September 1st, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Gman and others,
How pathetic… really. You get a little criticism and then jump all over the person who disagrees with you. You placed your completely ridiculous post on the web, including your made up facts about US foreign policy with North Korea, and you get offended when someone calls you on it.
Your next post responding to Synoptix is where the wheels completely come off of any integrity or accuracy in your argument. You sound like the person you most likely are: angry, disaffected, and stupid. You careen from made up facts to complete BS. The Bushes and Bin Laden are friends? The Taliban offered to give us Bin Laden? When exactly did this happen? Perhaps you should take a walk outside of fantasy land.
You suggest that Synoptix is wrong because he (or she) is American and Republican, but you hint that you are neither of these things. This is right after you whine about being called names.
So let’s get this straight… anyone that disagrees with your phony facts and made up US policy is bad, right? Just checking.
To Alien…
I remember when I read my first book, too. I’ve read Chomsky, and he certainly has a lot to say. I suggest you keep reading, because Chomsky does the same thing Michael Moore does, which is presents some facts, but not all relating to their subject, thus shaping what you, their reader, knows about the subject. Like Moore, Chomsky pulls it off because he figures his readers aren’t getting their own assessment of the situation, they want it handed to them. I hope you are able to do that, Alien, but you might have to leave Starbucks first.
To those bashing America… Congratulations… you have discovered America isn’t perfect. You’ve ingeniously uncovered that the US has done some dark things in other parts of the globe. “How can they do this?” you ask yourself. What you need to ask yourself is why you think you have any capacity to understand something so intensely complex (like the geo-political environment) from your corner chair at the coffee shop. You don’t. America and our allies (which the liberal media LOVES to say we do not have) are working across the globe to support the causes of freedom, literacy, world health, and religious freedom every single day.
We have victories over the causes of terror everyday also. We, with our allies representing many, many countries across the globe, have pulled off raids not only against terror groups like Al Queda & the Taliban, but also slavery rings in Europe, Africa, and Asia… thieves who steal medical supplies, and those who plan mass murder to push their pathetic causes.
Why don’t you know about these victories? Because we don’t print them in the sports pages on Sunday. The average person, meaning YOU Gman and Alien, doesn’t have a f-ing CLUE what is going on in the world, mostly because you haven’t done a single thing to help.
Answer this: Have you… ANY OF YOU… picked up a weapon and gone on a patrol? Have you built a school in Africa, Afghanistan or Iraq? Have you helped to dig up landmines planted by one local warlord to kill the children in a neighboring community… by the way… THESE LANDMINES WERE BUILT IN NORTH KOREA….
For all the know-it-all IDIOTS that are posting here. Do yourself a favor. SHUT UP and GO HELP.
September 1st, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Please wake up, Alien
Saddam killed more than 700,000 kurds before he was taken out. He used mustard gas, which is a pretty horrific way to die. Maybe you don’t consider those 700,000 “people” which I guess is your problem. Saddam killed well over a million people under his reign of terror.
No matter what your justifications, continuing to defend the insane drawings from North Korea on this website just so you can keep ranting about how America is bad and hurts your feelings makes you the same monster you are griping about.
It’s okay for North Korea but not America, is that what you’re saying? If you can find any government sponsored propaganda produced by the United States, I’d love to know about it.
You’re mad at George W Bush, and I don’t blame you. He let us all down. But to say that America itself is to blame is putting every nation in the world in the same boat. I wonder if there are ANY countries that could pass the test by your standards.
I’ll sleep well tonight knowing that your standards mean absolutely nothing, just like what you are contributing to this blog. Thanks for nothing.
September 1st, 2008 at 7:24 pm
WOAh there alien, did i just read that you say you dont believe saddam hussein killed 700,000 people?. i’d like to send to iraq just so you can tell that to the people who experienced the atrocities. the guy that said ‘ GO IRAN”, what the fuck? how in your right mind can you support them. its just another place where the people have no freedom. just like north korea, where the majority live in poverty, and in constant fear.
everyone whos attacking the usa. yes i agree, there are a lot of things that the us has done that really werent necessary, but think about it. without the usa help in korea, there would be no south korea, just a bigger version of nth. korea, with more power. of course that is just one relatively good outcome. at the moment in iraq thngs arent good. but over time they are slowly geting better. for example the largest province of the country was handed over to iraqi government control and the number of attacks per day has dropped from 41 to 2. so before you go jumping all over america, jsut think someones gotta do it. it may sound a stupid thing to say but without the usa i believe that there would be a lot more suffering in the world than there currently is.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:12 pm
GMAN is an idiot. Do people really not have minds of their own like this clown? Seriously, open up your eyes and get a clue about the world. You should also note that the US is trying to verify that N Korea dismantled its nuke program. At that point, the “terror” label comes off (although it’s too early to do so). I do love the knee jerk reaction of the ever-thoughtful GMAN though. You also need to look up what “hypocrisy” means.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:54 pm
I am sick of hearing people talking about how bad our reputation is abroad. Europe will come running back under our skirt the minute anything really goes wrong. They are just acting like a 14 year old brat right now. They are safe and therefore are willing to talk shit. The minute Uncle Putin, or Crazy Kim, or some other jackass start to scare them who are they going to turn to? France. C’mon. So some Europeans like to talk shit about America. They would all be socialist if it wasn’t for the Marshall Plan after WWII.
And as for you morons speaking anti-capitalist rhetoric, my family immigrated from the Eastern Bloc. Why don’t you take a fun trip to somewhere in Eastern Europe, other than Prague, since I am sure all of you went there because it was chic and cool. Then you can see what socialism does. You are spoiled, SAAB driving, prep-school, pseudo-hippies who happened to take a poli-sci course their freshman year that require you to read Marx, or maybe Zinn. Whatever. As much as you love to cling to the notion that you are free thinking, you aren’t. You just parrot the bullshit some other spoiled shit feeds you.
You think France, and Germany give a shit about the Afghani people, or the Iraqis. Sorry, chief, but all their politicians are posturing for the sake of political power. Not for humanity. One of them desperately wants to be number 2 again, and the best way is to piss on number one while they are otherwise occupied. And sure, their citizens are pissed. Fine, because just like you, they were told to be.
Now I am not saying that the US does not do some bad shit. Every country does. Grow up. This isn’t teletubbies. This is the real world, and some people need an ass whooping.
Oh, and before some dipshit decides to say that I am undereducated, I am currently doing an MD/PhD. So that avenue of personal insult should be moved aside for now.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:07 pm
Is it bad that I now have an overwhelming desire to buy a goat?
September 1st, 2008 at 10:28 pm
I hate my own (US) Government as much as I hate N. Korea’s. That doesn’t prompt me to hate Koreans or Americans. If you think we Americans are so evil – stop in sometime. I will share my food/beer with you and then discuss why you want to be such a bigot and group people by nationality.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:32 pm
I’m gonna go kick some American ass after reading those poster and some of the comments here. I’ll start with my wife and kids.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:03 pm
MD/Phd = means jack shit when you’re dead.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:13 pm
I love seeing the anti american e-peens
September 1st, 2008 at 11:13 pm
i love all the anti american e- peens
September 1st, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Internet ambiguity makes for some tough guys.
i.e. illkillurmommy
September 1st, 2008 at 11:23 pm
Remember when we invented the internets?
how bout them apples
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:46 am
I can’t believe people are actually siding with these N. Korea posters. Really? Death to the U.S? You must be really stupid. Go raise some goats, extensively.
September 2nd, 2008 at 3:03 am
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September 2nd, 2008 at 3:14 am
Patriot,
You are who your friends are. Whenever we talk about enemies and allies, noone seems interested in analyzing who is the enemy and who is the ally. Our enemies are a group fo the most corrupt and bankrupt countries in the world that are by and large unable to solve their own problems. This includes France.
Our GROWING list of allies includes modern, democratic and improving nations that understand the difference. Do not be overwhelmed by all this talk about U.S. hate as if it is new either, if you are old enough you remember the anti – US riots in Italy, Germany, France, etc, that actually ceased with the demise of the propogating and funding entity that whippe them up – the USSR.
Further more, if you follow the funding of all fo the negative press, you may see the same origins as the posters above. I live overseas, longer than you have, and there are things that you beleive wich you must fairly re-examine.
September 2nd, 2008 at 3:16 am
Whilst I am certainly no supporter of the authoritarian dictatorship that is North Korea, I do wish that people were more understanding of war and more familiar with atrocities committed by their own side which has contributed to the ill-feeling that the Koreans may have.
For example:
“U.S. Policy Was to Shoot Korean Refugees”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/29/AR2006052900485.html
September 2nd, 2008 at 3:24 am
Alien,
Thanks for your pitty. Someday in the future re-read what you wrote and feel shame. Most of the literature and web docs you read were written by other people sitting around reading what other people wrote, and have actually seen not a single fact. You are proving the principles of propgatinga lie to the extent that it becomes true.
Come down from the peddestle and walk around in the world, not amongst the mutuially infomred masses, but amongst those who actually make the world work and you will see with different eyes.
This conversation brought to you by the protections guranteed for the first time in history by the Constitution of the Unites States of America (which, rumor has it, is not being exemplified in N. Korea, China, or Russia, and partially in France).
September 2nd, 2008 at 4:33 am
I’m curious, does anyone know WHY North Korea hates the US with so much passion? Someone above said “Demonize the Enemy” – what started it all off? Where did it begin?
September 2nd, 2008 at 7:39 am
Looks like some of the posters from the Democrat Convention.
September 2nd, 2008 at 10:14 am
to ray, EXACTLY.
September 2nd, 2008 at 11:08 am
Uhm… “PolDoc”….England IS socialist. I think what you meant is communist.Be sure of your facts before posting.
September 2nd, 2008 at 11:32 am
GMAN….knock us all you want…but go live in North Korea and tell me if you miss us. we may be bullys but at least we’re not pussy psychopaths making posters pretty much promoting a certain genocide.
p.s. Stop reading the U.S. Propaganda News Letter
September 2nd, 2008 at 11:33 am
Lev, did you even read the article? North Korean troops would hide among refugees. American policy was to fire warning shots to warn off any refugees approaching their lines. Any refugees who ignored warning shots could expect to be fired upon.
Blame the NKs and Chicoms who hid among refugees, not the Americans who tried to warn off refugees and only fired as a last resort.
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Gman why don’t you move to north Korea and spout some of that BS To KimJong? Thought so, you are a coward who hates your country, Using free speech rights. Go choke yourself you pile of filth.
September 2nd, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Maybe he means english? N. Korean literacy is reported to be near 100%.
Of course it is “reported” at 100% but that does not mean it is even close to that
September 2nd, 2008 at 5:59 pm
I hate most of the people that are leaving comments.
Would all the people who are posting about America’s downfalls and political blunders cite your sources and not some conspiracy theorist.
Would all the individuals posting about the people mentioned beforehand cite the actual phrase that pissed them off so much and not go off on some wild tangent.
September 2nd, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Shut up dole. You just left a comment as dumb as everyone else’s.
“Would all the individuals posting about the people mentioned beforehand cite the actual phrase that pissed them off so much and not go off on some wild tangent.”
The above cited phrase pissed me off because you’re a whiney hypocritical bitch. Pardon my wild tangent i hope i didn’t agitate your virgin eyes.
Now grow up and bitch about something like everyone else does. It’s fun.
September 2nd, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Ahhh so what. The world gripes alot but what can they do. Make posters? Wow, I’m scared of a poster, they can roll it up and throw it at me. Anyone who feels N. Korea is a better place to live than the good ol’ USA, Get the F”’ OUT!
September 2nd, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Bob Dole is still right, even if he is gay. Starting an argument without giving some sources is like shitting on a tortoise, yeah its mobile now but its still not getting very far. To everyone whining about how America needs to be more compassionate: Mao Fung Dung, his Goebbels-inspired posters, dictatorship processing plant of zombies, and arsenal of flight-challenged nuclear missiles are reason numero uno why you should avoid thinking about politics and global affairs and stick to whatever it was you were doing before you got your panties in a bunch.
September 2nd, 2008 at 11:32 pm
“N. Korean literacy is reported to be near 100%.”
It is also reported Kim Jong Il golfed an amazing 18 stroke round.
September 3rd, 2008 at 12:24 am
Shonufgood- Right On.
Let’s stop being so altruistic for a moment and see the forest for the trees. Power corrupts- just ask those starving to death under “Dear Leader”- actually, they won’t tell you because they will be locked up if they don’t say everything is great. He is not a good leader, but insists on being revered as a demigod, so his people and country suffer. The people who make US policy decisions regarding N Korea, and the rest of the world for that matter, are much more globally informed than any of us are.
No- I do not like Bush or agree with him or vote for him or will I deny that power has had its intoxicating affect on him- ahem, Iraq- and Yes, I have read Chomsky and Blum and all your blowback texts.
The US has done plenty of things in its history that we would, correctly, condemn as terrorism or atrocities. So have many other “civilized” nations. However, the world has experienced the greatest period of stability and third world nations have had their greatest strides since the US came to it’s continued prowess following WWII. The US operates with US interests in mind first and foremost, but global interests remain close behind. This is not a perfect country led by perfect people, I challenge you to find that anywhere. History has taught us that militaristic authoritarian or totalitarian dictatorships running unchecked tend to be the roots of global conflict.
I am happy and proud to be American and I know not all of the world cares for me or my country. Some comes from jealousy, some from disdain for arrogance (or the perception of it we can exude)But regardless of what you will be told, on some level most of the world respects America. If you choose to lead (or are forced to, for that matter) your motives and moves will be questioned, you will make regrettable mistakes and you will suffer bruises along the way. If you live here, be glad you can criticize your country freely and be glad you can live the life you do and be glad you don’t face famine or the threat of invasion. There are 2 sides to every argument here- in some countries there is only one.
Perhaps this country needs to be a bit more Rooseveltian to regain respect in today’s world without sacrificing the role of global pacesetter and peacekeeper- the 5 principles of the “big stick”- walk softly but…
-maintain formidable military capability
-act justly toward other nations
-never bluff
-strike only if prepared to strike hard
-allow an honorable adversary to save face in defeat
September 3rd, 2008 at 12:30 pm
How we got to this point.
After World War II the Soviet Union, Great Britian, and the US ironed out the details of who would govern countries that had been more or less destroyed by the Japananese and German war machine. The US was to oversee the southern part of Korea and the Soviet Union was to govern the North. The Soviet Union backed the growing Communist Party in the North in an attempt to overtake the south and unify Korea into a communist state. The US with the view that communism was a failed way of goverment tried to resist the takeover and provided weapons to the south and eventually Truman sent in troops. Fighting against the Soviet equipped North including Russian pilots flying the new jet plane they called the “Mig” and also against communist Chinese troops that had entered the war. After 3 years of war the lines were drawn. The North to this day remains communist and the South continues to model itself after the US democratic style of government. Whether you like it or not the South has prospered and the North has followed the same path (communism) of countries that have failed in controlling the life of the people. They are one of the few countries left that are still communist and have failed the people miserably. In every aspect of life the South is free and prospering and the North has been in a state of continual despair. The hatred of the people has been effectivly channeled torwards the US as the reason why life is so bad. Just like the Muslim parts of the world. You have the same genetic makeup in the North and South Korean people but it ends when you compare standard of living. The blame of a sad life in North Korea lies with the old Soviet Union and North Korean Government not the US. Of this you should be sure. If The US had the final say Korea would today be a unified country and all of it not just half would be free.
September 4th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Seriously,
I am an American. I accept that we have made some major mistakes, but we’re human. In my opinion, humanity is doing a little better in this country than many others, and this saddens me. Not that America’s doing pretty good, but that so many other countries aren’t. This is our little speck of a planet in this insanely massive universe (possibly mulitverse). We are all together in this, and until we realize this, humanity will continue to fail. Those of you that insult each other…you are not doing any good, all you are doing is giving more reason for more insults. If you feel the need to correct people, do so respectfully..the board is almost as negative as the posters…in some points, even worse. Try a little Verstehen people, it may just increase your understanding.
September 5th, 2008 at 8:06 am
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September 5th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
So typical of totalitarian regimes…and the funny kicker is the oblamma/bider propaganda advert in the mix – truly a compelling insertion !.
September 9th, 2008 at 2:04 am
USAsians seem to see no irony in the fact that the USA pummps out the most propaganda to its citizens.
Sure, it’s not overt propaganda like these picttures, but it has most of them completely swallowing it. Some examples… There are Terror threats everywhere! Iraq has Weapons of Mass destruction! Russia is a threat! USA is the land of the free! Hahaha. Only USAsians would buy any of this shite.
Hopefully the new Obama guy can cut his way through some of this propaganda and stop everyone hating the US so much.
September 12th, 2008 at 3:50 am
Hey, I am american and we aren’t all bad!!! You cant judge a group of people based on their governments actions. I dont support a lot of what my gov’t does but that doesnt mean that this type of hatred and propaganda is OK. Shame on all of you who contribute to the bashing. Its not productive and only spreads the hatred and worsens the problem!
September 13th, 2008 at 11:39 am
Imperialist & PolDoc – Thank you for your great posts. I’m an American and I teach English in South Korea. I’ve traveled around a lot of Asia over the past 3 years, and our country’s reputation is doing fine. There will always be socialists who don’t like who we are, but for the most part, people over here have really good attitudes towards the U.S.. When South Koreans meet American citizens who bash their own country, they don’t understand it.
I never put a lot of stock into what Europeans say when they call us unsophisticated or uncultured. Complaining and depression seem to be their mental basline. They seem to forget or ignore the fact that western Europe is western Europe for 3 reasons:
1. The U.S. saved it from iteself during WWII.
2. We rebuilt it with American dollars and material after WWII.
3. We have been protecting it ever since.
The same can also be said about South Korea. We will soon say it about Iraq and Afganistan as well.
The people and nations that don’t like us, hate us, and/or complain about us do so because we have more money, food, and power then they could dare dream of. We have these things because of who we are. We don’t take it from others, we earn it, and we earn it because we create it.
We prove to the world every day that our system works better than their systems ever could. Other countries want it, but they don’t have the courage to do what is necessary to get it, because that would mean giving their people more freedom, and no socialist anywhere wants to do that.
Does our society have flaws? Sure. Is it perfect? No. Is it the best working system of goverment/society in human history? Hell yes.
Next time you’re in Starbucks sipping your latte whining about how mean and unfair America is, try to remember that if you actually lived in the socialist ideal, you wouldn’t be allowed to complain at all.
September 13th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
“Some examples… There are Terror threats everywhere! Iraq has Weapons of Mass destruction! Russia is a threat! USA is the land of the free! Hahaha. Only USAsians would buy any of this shite.
Hopefully the new Obama guy can cut his way through some of this propaganda and stop everyone hating the US so much.”
1. No one has claimed that “there are terror threats everywhere.” America must remain vigilant due to real threats with which you are not familiar.
2. Iraq did have WMDS. About 500 were found in 2006. This year, 550 tons of yellowcake were also found and shipped to Canada. WMDs were merely one of many reasons to invade Iraq.
3. Russia is a threat. It’s actions over last month prove it.
4. America is free. The most free in the world. And it is that freedom that has fed American exceptionalism. Instead of America acting on the supposed “hate” from other countries, it is the rest of the world which ought to cease its jealous scorn and perhaps examine what Americans have done well.
5. Obama will be viewed as weak by the world. Those who seek to harm America will do so with ease due to Obama’s naive belief that all people can be negotiated with.
September 16th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
You should all go outside and ride a bike.
September 16th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
hmmm, some FACTS. the court case numbers and executive orders are there if people want to actually look it up and not just have profuse diarrhea of the mouth. go watch tv if it hurts too much.
1. The IRS is not a U.S. Government Agency. It is an Agency of the IMF
(Diversified metal Products v. IRS etal. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I.,
Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967, Reorganization Plan
No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)
2. The IMF is an Agency of the UN. (Black’s Law Dictionary 6th Ed. Pg 816)
3. The U.S. has not had a Treasury since 1921 (41 Stat. Ch. 214 pg. 654)
4. There are no judicial courts in America and there has not been since 1789.
Judges do not enforce Statutes and Codes. Executive Administrators enforce
Statutes and codes (FRC. V. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428, 1 Stat.
138-178) http:; llcaselaw._lp_findlaw, comlscriptsl.getcae.pl?_court=us&_vol
+261&invol+248
5. There have not been any Judges in America since 1789. There have just
been Administrators. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v PE 261 US 428 1Stat.
138-178)
6. New York City is defined in the Federal Regulations as the United Nations.
Rudolph Giuliani stated on C-Span that “New York City was the capitol of the
world” and he was correct. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 (b) (2)
(2) (also check out Rev. 14 in reference to what happened on 9/11)
7. You own no property, slaves can’t own property. Read the Deed to the
property that you think is yours. You are listed as a Tenant. (Senate Document
43, 73rd Congress 1 st. Session)
8. You cannot use the Constitution to defend yourself because you are not a
party to it. (Padelford Fay & Co. v. The mayor and Alderman of the City of
Savannah 14 Georgia 438, 520)
9. The King of England financially backed both sides of the Revolutionary
war. (Treaty at Versailles July 15, 1782, Treat of Peace 8 Stat 80)
10. America is a British Colony. (THE UNITED STATES IS A
CORPORATION, NOT A LAND MASS AND IT EXISTED BEFORE THE
REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND THE BRITISH TROOPS DID NOT
LEAVE UNTIL 1796). Republican v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43, Treaty of
Commerce 8 Stat 116, The society for Propagating the Gospel & c. v. New
Haven 8 Wheat 464, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80, IRS Publication 6209, Articles
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of Association October 20, 1774.
11. Britain is owed by the Vatican. (Treaty of 1213).
12. The Pope can abolish any law in the United States (elements of
Ecclesiastical Law Vol. 1 53-54)
13. We are slaves and own absolutely nothing, not even what we think are our
children (Tillman v. Roberts 108 So. 62, Van Koten v. Van Koten 154 N.E.
146, Senate Document 43 & 73rd Congress 1 Session, Wynehammer v.
People 13 N.R. REP 378, 481)
14. “The People” does not include you and me. (Barron v. Mayor & City
Council of Baltimore. 32 U.S. 243)
15. It is not the duty of the police to protect you. Their job is to protect the
Corporation and arrest code breakers. Sappv. Tallahasse, 348 So. 2nd 363,
Reiff v. City of Philadelphia, 477 F. Supp. 1262, Lynch v. N.C. Dept. of
Justice 376 S.E. 2nd. 247.
16. Everything in the “United States” is for sale: roads, bridges, schools,
hospitals, water, prisons, airports, etc. I wonder who bought Klamath Lake?
Did anyone take the time to check? (?Executive Order 12803)
17. We are Human capital (Executive Order 13037)
18. The FCC, CIA, FBI, NASA and all of the other alphabet gangs were never
a part of the United States government. Even though the “US government”
held shares of stock in the various Agencies. (U.S. v. Strang, 254 US 491,
Lewis v. U.S. 680 F. 2d, 1239) [link to ca_selaw.Ip.findlaw.Co] m/
scripts/.qetcase.pi?Court=us&vol=254&invol=491.
19. A 1040 form is for tribute paid to Britain. (IRS Publication 6209 IMF
decoding manual)
20. We are enemies of the State (Trading with the Enemy Act 1933 Act of
1917 & 1933) Trading with the Enemy Act 1933 Act of 1917 & 1933 (People
declared the Enemy) Oct. 6, 1917, under the Trading with the Enemy Act,
Section 2 subdivision ( c ) Chapter 106 – Enemy defined “other than citizens
of the United States…” March 9, 1933, Chapter 106, Section 5, subdivision
(b) of the Trading with the Enemy Act of Oct. 6, 1917 (40 Stat. L. 411)
amended as follows: “…any person within the United States.” See H.R. 1491
Public No. 1.
September 16th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Oh yeah, forgot this was about my northern neighbors!
Mi-guhk sa-ram-duhl-eun dae-buh-buhn mo-go mon-ji mol-la!
September 17th, 2008 at 4:07 am
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September 17th, 2008 at 5:26 am
When will everyone wake up and realise that all governments and monarchies around the world always have and always will lie about everything? Nobody is always right.
They think nothing of eating dogs in South Korea, but who am I to tell them they’re wrong?!
Oh, and can everyone stop generalising about Americans/Europeans etc? There are great people and dickheads the whole world over, no matter where they’re from.
As for Uncle Dan’s post – don’t you realise that the kind of arrogance you displayed there is what some people dislike about Americans?
I really admire the patriotism Americans have, I love seeing flags outside people’s houses and July 4th celebrations. I wish people’s attitudes in England were similar. I find American’s polite, always willing to help and the amongst the most hospitable people in the world.
I’m not sure the ‘we saved Europe in WWII’ rubbish means anything to anyone any more. I’m sure you personally did nothing as far as that goes so cut out the ‘we’ part, eh?
And the “best working system of goverment/society in human history?” quote? Bollocks. Do you know the US constitution is based on the English Magna Carta? And what kind of society turns away sick people from hospitals because they have no money?
The USA is brilliant in many ways, but by no means is it the best society the world has ever seen.
I have travelled extensively and find that there are positives and negatives everywhere. The trouble with governments is that they’re always so scared of how they look to other countries.
‘Cut you own lawn before you tell your neighbour his grass is too long’ seems a decent way to sum up, so there you have it.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:34 am
Great facts Karmabean, very interesting to read.
September 17th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
So what is the best society the world has ever seen in your opinion Simon?
The Aztecs? Or wait lemme guess, the English?
English colonies left England to escape the Kings and Queens, True Democracy, was invented in the U.S.A.
September 17th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
as an iranian i am so familiar with these kinda posters! hope islamic republic artists dont find these korean ones! and if they saw we’re going to see them with little changes as wall paintings on large scales in tehran streets!
September 17th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
and to “me”
I guess true democracy was invented by Romans! not by a 250 years old country!
September 17th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
I believe that there is no “true” democracy. Even in Ancient Athens, where democracy is believed to be “founded”, there was no true democracy, since outside the city walls, the slaves were crawling.
September 17th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Hello and Thank you Simon! If you’d like, there are tons more information out there about FACTS that are not displayed out-right to people. Good place to check out some info would be wealth4freedom.com (the 20 points come from that site) as a start.
happy fact-searching!
namaste!
September 17th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
agh~! the first site I mentioned is down but nomoreserfs.com is quite interesting.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
“I wonder if anyone sees the irony in this:
In this country you have the right to go onto a computer and type out whatever America Bashing shit you want. All of your posts, no matter how unpatriotic, insulting, offensive, stupid, mean, or vicious…ALL of you are allowed to write them without fear of reprisal from your government. Half of the posts on here blatantly bash the president, our country, our people, our way of life. ALL of those posters are suggesting (implicitly or explicitly) violence against our country. Hell- this is a website DEDICATED to propaganda AGAINST our government and yet it’s not being shut down…no one is being tortured, abused, or beaten for creating it. So if you want to come on here and say “America Sucks”…THAT’S YOUR RIGHT!!.
Now…go to Iran, China, or North Korea and try that telling them how badly they suck. See what happens. Please.”
September 17th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Reza D, read JCD’d comment.
And for a country that is only 250 years old, we seem to be years ahead of the rest of the world, so I guess we’re doing something right, huh.
September 18th, 2008 at 5:10 am
Hi ‘Me’
I don’t know what the best society in the history is, seeing as I have only ever lived in one of them.
I certainly do not think the English society is!
I thought English colonies objected to being taxed so heavily (I agree with this) by a monarch so far away, and that’s why they sought independence.
I’m just saying it’s a bit narrow-minded to think that the US is the greatest society the world has ever seen. Do you think that turning sick people away from hospitals is testament to this? Is detaining people indefinitely without evidence that they have done wrong on an island? Just because the US is very rich (and NOT the richest in the world per capita) it doesn’t mean it boasts an idyllic society!
And how is the US years ahead of the rest of the world exactly? Ahead how?
September 18th, 2008 at 5:15 am
Just to prove my earlier statement:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html
Who knows better than the CIA, eh?
September 18th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
the north korean regime hold in fear the people, their tools are sadly, and incorrect, but they want to live in real freedom, they not want to hang in other countries, they want to close their borders. they want to fight for their problems, but they cant do it. They always crashing into walls because the world realy against them. Its a deadend not the best way, but he think of their idea is true.
The us is a militaristic nation the most of the people is not a bad person, but they are live in a pink soup, their country drink others blood in real, they want to push every other nation into a slave mine. Their money the dollar like a closet paper, if they want to buy something in the world they print some paletts of money. Every nation of the world (from Russia, across China, the Saudians, to Europe) suffering under their pressure, because the international oiltrade is possible only in dollar. If somebody want to trade with oil in other money, they beat it as strong as possible. Their good friend Saddam dead because when the food for oil embargho ended somebody asked saddam oil for Euro. The iranian president Mr. M.A. want to opening a new oil market based on the Europian money the euro. After his spoke at the oil conference, they are a bloodyhanded mad person who want to kill everybody with his nuclear rockets. Iran is a growing country their industry expanding, and they want to bild their own nuclear powerplant to feed their factories. They have a lot of Uran mines, its an simple and cheap way to make energy.
So the us goverment liaring always to darking the things in the world, they make fear into the citizens heart, and they want to shocking like the north korean regime do, but because they have lot of money to keep the wold most powerful military, and they kill everybody who want to wrong their business.
Its not a never ending story, the time will come… i think, at this moment the dark side of the times are knocking at the us’s door.
The mexican border will be closed after few years, and the citizens of the us can’t crossing it in their escape ways. :)
September 19th, 2008 at 6:09 am
To the debate on US being the bully boy…
As a person who has grown up behind the “Iron curtain” in the soviet zone, I would rather be “occupied” by americans than russians, if I could choose.
I’m saying that, altough I do not like the arrogance of some americans, and the lack of knowledge about the rest of the world they show. Still, there is a huge difference how Russia is doing his foreign politics, and how is the US behaving.
Someone said, that the US is like a big, strong, friendly dog in room full of precious furniture and fragile objects. When it moves, even with the best will, it leaves broken items behind.
Th US foreign is not a success story in the XX. century, but it also comes from the fact, that america is an open democracy, so every debate, every failure is open to the world. Other nations, especially to the east are much better keeping their secrets. How many americans know the details about the soviet war in Afghanistan? The american war is like an open book, so politicans, who are against it, can use facts.
Somone said, Reagan was an assasin. For most of the people in Easten Europe, Reagan was the guy, who was consistently anti-communitst, and has beaten the soviets with his politics. IMHO he was really not the most intelligent, educated man on the word, but as a person much better the i.eg. Breshnev or Andropov or other soviet leaders.
September 19th, 2008 at 6:14 am
Both communists and capitalists-imperialist systems are evilish.Poor north coreans and poor you folk of USA.(and poor chinese too).The most brainwashed,stupid people who never has its own thougts i have seen in usa people.just like little robots.thats what capitalism generates;work-produce-consume-have (stupid) fun-and do what people over u say-live like media says.communists instead take ur freedom, ur choice,”kills” the differences and so its the total antilife system.
Usa attacked Iraq for oil and to protect Israel.Usa attacked Afghanistan for gas and to break down islam.In Iraq theres other then better life now:its hell there.And you caused it folk of USA.Ur system.Not ur president.People get tyred all around the world with ur agressivity and imperialism and one day they will be really happy to destroy ur coulture-if it doesnt destroy itself alone,just like soviet union did.Once upon a time USA was the land of freedom,democracy;a desire for many people all around the world.Now its all other.
I hope no imperialism will raign in the future,and different coultures can live along side by side with no harming and without the will to put their socio-political-economical sytem with force to other nations.
Thats what frightens me about U folk of USA-reading ur comments it seems U think its normal that u get ur guns and go somewhere other part of the earth and put ur system with force,killing,destroying millions to put ur democracy,ur factories,ur hamburger culture.THATS REALLY SAD.U act like 2000 years ago the Roman empire did.And like 70-60 years ago the nazi Germany did.Like 60 years ago communists Soviets did.
There is no evolution in human kind????Who has the power rules and robbes down the others?Thats democracy for U??Thats the land of freedom??
U never learn from ur faults: u went to Vietnam and nobody wanted ur hepl there.
But when somebody needed it, u didnt come.
U are just hypocrist just like comunists.
Money talks.
September 19th, 2008 at 6:48 am
@ A european man
You are not serious comparing nazi Germany, Soviet regime and US, aren’t you?
Learn a bit of European history at last, before writing a comment like this.
If US Vietnam war was a fault because “nobody wanted ur help there”, then
German occupation of Norway is OK, since the Norwegian government asked them to come, to protect them from the invading British? Or the 1968 run on Tsechoslovakia by “friendly” Armies of Hungary, Poland and East-Germany, since the commie govt asked them to do so?
If the americans would be the same as soviets or nazis, you would not hear _anything_ about the iraqi war, just the US victory, and same goes for Afghanistan.
Since there is a debate over it, shows the huge difference.
I see, that you do not like the US, and “imperialism” whatever that is, but regimes killing hundreds of millions of people in normal routine shold not be compared to one of the most open democracies on the world.
US politicans are too willing to get involved in the world politics, and that is a problem. A bit step back, and more educations would help.
September 19th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Paul,
Where can I find more in depth information on these images?
Christapher
September 20th, 2008 at 10:27 am
Hi Christapher,
These images are from a fascinating book called NORTH KOREAN POSTERS by David Heather. It provides a lot of background and context for these posters. An image of the book jacket is under the first poster image above.
September 21st, 2008 at 11:17 am
@Kowalsky
Dear Kowalsky!
tanx for ur raccomandation;)
Probably i wasnt enough clear for U,so now i explain in a few more words,maybe it will help U!
No metter for WHAT REASON, in WHAT WAY, HOW MASS MEDIA DESCRIBES and what POLITICAL SYSTEM there is in question; the FACT remains: USA invades other countries and put its own political system(or try to do it) there.Obviously USA thinks that its good and right to do so. Just like did Nazis and Soviets at their time, and how their media and propaganda reported these occupations.
I didnt say i dont like USA.I dont care about it as its not my country.
Im just against agression and hypocrisia of any form.
So let me please reccomand U in turn something: dont be just a historical book, but use ur brain to analise data from a longer distance of wiew.
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Paul,
Are there any designer names given in the book? I have ordered it but I would like to cite the first image in a paper due Thursday. Thank you!
Christapher
September 24th, 2008 at 9:44 am
Christapher, I’m afraid I’ve already passed the book on. Sorry I can’t help you.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:48 am
The patriotic and anti-patriotic side can make perfect sense to a certain extent. It is also completely useless to try to reason with people from the other side about these emotive things.
Many Koreans don`t need an open argument, but food and so it seems a bit obscene to use those poor people as pawns in pro- or anti-us debates.
The West saved the South Koreans` asses in the war, but now, it must be said, many Koreans think they hate Whitey much more than their brothers and sisters up north.
The USA should perhaps do as it did with Vietnam and leave the whole sad mess behind.
Future boat people would be allowed freely immigrate into the US of course and then settle on the estates of people like Chomsky or Vidal or Moore or even Kerry?
October 7th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
what the heck is wrong with north korea why do they hate america i tell you why because we have the freedom and the power to do what we need to do and north korea doesnt because they are jelious and hates america
October 28th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
To all the people hating the United States ask yourself how much better a life you would be living if the Japanese emperor had won, or if Stalin had succeded or Hitler. And im a freaking liberal for cyring out loud. Get over it, the United States is 100 times more merciful to it’s former enemies than they would ever had been to the U.S. if it were defeated. Do not confuse the George Bush administration as a grouping of everything that America represents and has proven over time.
November 16th, 2008 at 7:59 am
Bulgarasi:
“yet they describe how people think about the United States.”
Evidence please, not just your point of view. I would like to see statistics that confirm this statement.
November 25th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
there is alot of byist opinions on this page
December 30th, 2008 at 1:00 am
All of this crap is frickin hilarious.
I’m going to go ride my bike and think about where democracy is REALLY from. I can’t stop laughing.
January 9th, 2009 at 11:08 am
To A European Man:
Your initial diatribe betrays your ignorance of America, it’s people and it’s Founding Principles. I can only assume that have you never spent any time in America, my ill-informed friend. Brainwashed indeed!
Might I remind you that most of the world’s wars, (not to mention WWI & WW II) have been fought in EUROPE, by EUROPEANS, not in America, by Americans! Might I also remind you that far too many brave Americans died on European soil, defending the freedoms YOU now take for granted?
One would think a bit of gratitude would be in order, at least from an historical perspective, but alas, that would be too much to expect, wouldn’t it?
I’m certain YOU would be FAR better off in Europe right now had Hitler and the Nazis won!
February 3rd, 2009 at 11:41 am
my friends, peer’s and Highly offended
I come here today to give a little speech if you will so if I can.
*Takes the floor*
I am a Black man with a Filipino heritage and I am very proud. My father served in the U.S.Navy my grandfather U.S.Air Force I am sooooo far from either.Now I am here and I see yet another countries disrespect us, and members form my country with ignorance lash back with out letting sly comments pass.
America is not as great as we seem to make it out at 23 I have learned this by 13, went blind by 17 and seen again by 18. Yes we have better options then most and so on and so on but we also have our weaknesses (Fema Camps, Fema in general, fluoride tap water you name it) but one the less we have a problem with being that we don’t see anymore, we are (as a society) further behind any other country due to the fact we have lacked great leadership and independence and amongst our sleeping we have let whiny snot nosed brat’s run our country for decades now. People who think on the so-called “good will’ of the country that has went completely nuts, with racism, fast life, freedom of speech and so on (which I just now can be proven “we” really don’t have). Many go out into war and fight for the queen when president Bush,Obama or clition is in office (think about it you’ll get it) such a far shame.
Funny thing is in the black community I have realized that many black knew most of what has been spoken about here and have told this for countless of years, yet it is the white minorities (cause we all are honestly) that refuse to see this yet every other culture see’s this and laughs do you understand
February 16th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
^ I am also black, and no, I do not understand what contrived you to write such utter crap. Sorry.
February 19th, 2009 at 9:02 am
“what the heck is wrong with north korea why do they hate america i tell you why because we have the freedom and the power to do what we need to do and north korea doesnt because they are jelious and hates america”
Way to spell “jealous.”
America isn’t perfect, and I hate to have to be the one to break it to you. I must admit, I’m actually ashamed to be associated with some of the actions that our country has taken (e.g. Iraq), but that doesn’t mean that I agree with the… extreme views of the U.S. depicted in the posters above.
I, personally, think that the U.S. needs to learn to mind its own business. :/ If we really want to help people, instead of invading a Middle Eastern country, why don’t we go help starving African children? Why don’t we provide food, water, shelter, and medicine? Or, why don’t we solve some of our /own/ problems?
There is a reason why our forefathers, such as George Washington, weren’t too fond of the U.S. getting too wrapped up in foreign affairs.
Some of the people here really need to grow the Hell up. Yeah, there are people who don’t like America. Yeah, there are countries who hate us. HOWEVER, the First Amendment to the Constitution states guarantees all US citizens the Freedom of Speech and the Freedom of the Press.
Some people here seem to have blatant disregard for the very Constitution that built the country that they supposedly love and are defending so vehemently.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Inquisitive Says:
“Uhm… “PolDoc”….England IS socialist. I think what you meant is communist.Be sure of your facts before posting.”
England is not Socialist. England is Capitalist (like US). Communism evolved from Socialism. Socialism came from the early 1900s (Industrial era) in places where there were labor unions. Eugene V. Debbs was a Socialist leader in America and even ran for president the same year as William Howard Taft and got many votes but didn’t succeed. Communism started in Russia. During WWI, Russia withdrew from the war and the new Socialist gov took over and killed the Czar and his family. The new Socialist gov eventually became Communist and dictators came to power.
That’s your lesson in history for today.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:38 pm
I am the same guy as Page Load Error just so u know.
To all those against America in this message board who are complaining about the US in the Middle East:
THAT’S WHY WE NOW HAVE BARRACK OBAMA.
:P :]
March 26th, 2009 at 12:18 am
I am unable to rid my thoughts of goats.
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March 30th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Interesting posting. The poster remind me of the same type used by Nazi Germans and Stallin also including Musulini and finally Imperiel Japan… ( Ya you can bash my speliing – so bite me I’m Human ).
I am American and Damn Glad I am compared to what I have seen in my world travels. Yes America has done some things I am not proud if; but show me ANY OTHER COUNTRY THAT HASN’T?
Thing is allot of people are very jelious of what we Americans have as a life style THEY WANT IT. The Plasma TV, The Car, The McDonalds and much more; but most people in the general world don’t and they hate us for that. Yes unfourtunately we in the past and currently have too many moronic idiots and stupid leaders in Washington who just plain are so full of crap for brains that they WILL NOT LISTEN TO THEIR ADVISORS as to WHAT TO REALLY DO. Case in piont.. YOU CAN NOT GO AND DEMAND THINGS USA WAY against what thousands of years in a cultures hase developed as a Country’s way of life and just plain NORMAL BUISNESS. It is called “RICEBOWL DIPLOMACY”. You mess with someone’s People or a Country’s MONEY AND/OR POWER AND THEY WILL FIGHT YOU TO THE DEATH.
There are many many evil people in this world that will kill anyone who stands in the way and it has been the UNITED STATES THAT DOES THE STANDING and some nations as well.
Why does the UNITED STATES DO THIS YOU MIGHT ASK? Because the PUSSIES IN THE UNITED NATIONS WILL NOT DO THE JOB THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. Most of the Eurpean Union run away when their noses get bloodied a little whining mommy kiss it and make it feel better.
Allot of you also miss a very big point in what is happening even now. There are groups of fanatical people of a faith that EMBRACES DEATH out to kill everyone who either will not Convert to that faith or bow down to them.
Remember your history? The PERSIAN EMPIRE? If you don’t go read about it with an open mind if that is possible. These people want their “Kalife” Again… The nutjob in IRAN prays and works toward nuclear war to bring that about; this is all in writing and it has nothing to do with any propaganda from AMERICA OR ANY EUROPEAN COUNTRY.
Remember that before you spout verbal flatulance and wait for the next car bomb, suicide murder, or God Forbide a Biological or Nuclear Weapon detonated in a Counrty; IT COULD BE YOURS…
March 30th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Someone above commented on how aggressive and offensive reactions belittle credibility and hint at insecurity. It shows true for both parties. I can not speak about Korea, but I think that the US HAVE HELPED in so many ways and in so many places. My grandparents benefited greatly from the Kennedy administration, and an overseas program to aid their country. Likewise, I can not think of life and finance in my family without much of the economic structures and knowledge that have come and will continue to come from the US.
I have yet to meet an American I truly did not like, or who desired to bomb Iraq for fun. Quite the opposite. Even those americans I have met that supported several republican views I disagreed with were amazing, well natured people.
I am aware that the US administration has messed up quite a bit. Michael Moore and Chomsky have been cited in this heated debate. I would not believe for a second that the facts they present are entirely unbiased, nor would I now vouch for mainstream media. Or any other kind of media. I KNOW certain things. I know how the US has harmed as well as healed other countries. I think if you bomb a country then move in and rebuild you can not take credit for the second without admitting forever the shame of causing harm in the first place. Murder is not a mistake you can cover up, just one you can avoid in the future.
What if the states did not meddle in foreign affairs as much? Some countried might be tremendously bankrupt right now, others might no have any external debt. Some might have been blown up by internal conflict, others might have figured it out ON THEIR OWN, and be o the process of recovering from the damage they themselves caused their own country. Other countries might be doing just fine.
The US is much to big and complex to say that North America is the devil…I’d be the hypocrite, I hold in high esteem many people there. Most political and military actions come from the government, and while it represents it’s country, it is made up of individuals, who in turn can make mistakes, can try to do their best or try to swindle the country.
Government is made of people, who will be biased one way or another, for better or for worse. Some will likely want to start a war, not send in their own children, but force service unto the lower classes, and then try and profit from a resulting massacre by bringing “capitalism” to the country. then will likely tell the country “your welcome”. Others will probably see that with all the resources, with the sheer size and numbers of industry, labor force, knowledge and science stemming from the US people as a nation the world can be made better. Those people know they have knowledge and wisdom to pass on so that others can benefit from it.
And of course, there will be those who think that their countries should be left alone, as much as possible, and left to settle their internal affairs on their own, as should the US.
In my country I have seen manifestations of the three points of view I considered here. It is hard to think of free help, without something (oil?) in return. It is hard to think of a relatively healthy nation not aiding those that could use a hand, “out of the goodness of their heart”. It is understandable to live and let live, and focus on self improvement and wish the same of others.
With all that said, well… what’s done is done, painful as it might be in some cases, we should ask HOW CAN WE HELP NOW? help our own country, help our neighbor, help our own surroundings and the people in them.
April 6th, 2009 at 3:11 am
both sides do evil
there is no good or bad
only evil men in this world who refuse to put aside petty differences and push for one world peace agendas
communist or democratic
these will not matter when all are obliterated by war
April 7th, 2009 at 10:07 am
How fascinating. I’m assuming this propaganda is from old wartimes? If you look at it all and compare it to old american propaganda it’s interesting to see the similarities.
Here is a wikipedia link to some ww2 American Propaganda
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_propaganda_during_World_War_II
Some of you may also be interested in this basic wikipedia link about North korean communication:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_in_North_Korea
It states that:
-In November 2002, mobile phones were introduced to North Korea and by November 2003, 20,000 North Koreans had bought mobile phones. On May 24, 2004 however, mobile phones were banned .
-Radio and television must be modified to only receive government stations. These modified radios and televisions should be registered at special state department. They are also subject to inspection at random. Both Radios and Televisions come with a sealed label to prevent tampering. The removal of the official seal is punishable by law.
-Internet access is Illegal in North Korea
I think that this forums discussion could improve out of sight if more people decided to post facts AND REFERENCE THEM, rather than just spout off opinions.
After all, opinions are destructive in nature, only causing anger amongst everyone. However factual discussions can be constructive.
I know that my information is only wikipedia, but it reveals some basic facts.
April 11th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
I agree with “From Australia”, war propaganda, particularly that of the time, is meant “to dehumanize wartime enemies and galvanize the public against them”. I’d forgotten my world history and art history lessons. I recall seeing lots of posters, many american, doing exactly that. Even saw ones trying to =convince black Americans to fight… those would eventually become the front lines and canon fodder. If anything, graphic design was innovative as the government realized that psychological warfare could be held not only abroad, but at home to motivate economic, social and volunteer support through fear… which seems similar to what these posters seem to attempt. Kinda like posting half naked girls next to beer or cigarettes huh?
April 13th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
I hate goats.
May 4th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
the propaganda really enforces thoughts on the peoples and the way they think. but i would have to agree that the”from Australia” is one of the best of the propaganda.
May 26th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Hey, I think Americans who sympathize with socialist dictators do not understand the nature of communism. I live in a country that was ruined from the communists and is still struggling to overcome its past. And we had our share of propaganda, too. I will share with you some of it. And I really wish you had greater respect to your freedoms.
So, here is some of our propaganda from the past:
“Ronald Reagan is enemy number one to the district of Tutrakan” /now, Tutrakan is a small town at the Danube river; and i frankly doubt if Reagan has ever heard about it/.
“Every egg – a bomb, and every hen – a flying fortress against the aggressors” /a sign in a poultry farm/
“All communists under the ground!” /a sign in front of a mine/
“All insane – in the fight for peace” /a sign in a mental home/
“Students, economize the leftovers! They are for you!” /a sign in a cafeteria in a university campus/
and etc.
Poor North Koreans, they are wasting their lives in this communist nightmare.
May 31st, 2009 at 12:05 pm
GMAN: Ever thought about what a world run by Soviets, Iranians, and Afghan warlords would look like? Ask yourself, while you demonize the US for its actions (many of which were truly egregious violations of our values), would you prefer an international system dominated by Soviets, Iranian Mullahs, Afghan warlords, or the DPRK?
May 31st, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Pol Bok, you should visit Europe because were the biggest built up collection of countries in the world, were just getting lazy – hence why you deal with our problems. It’s a good strategy and Americans always want to be the hero – so let them, I dont see a problem as long as the body bags head your way and you fight the war to help the world. It’s a good thing I really think so, I think you should have gone into all four of those countries (Iran, Afganistan, Iraq, and Nt Korea) in 2001 because there would be no problems. GMAN is a tool, democracy although not great is better then you would think – maybe you would just moan anywhere you are. I mean people that work in governments don’t trust governments, but you should believe in the people. And seems to me that you would like to believe in a bunch of brainwashed warlords. Fair enough, great thing about freedom is I can say ‘Good for you’ and never have the pleasure of talking to you again. The Nt Koreans would like to point missiles at the US and the people of the US dont want that so therefore their government will act. Rather the the government of NT Korea which is acting and then trying to drag the people into believing what there doing is right. I would like to say we could free those people soon, but the expenses would be sky high for a country that has been excluded for decades and decades. The posters are cool though, I like the colouring – I might put some on my wall.
The goat is cool man… ;-)
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:13 am
Wars are started by people in power but fought by the powerless. Whether citizens of North Korea or America we are all held ransom to the ideology of political persuasion, usually the cravings of distorted individuals who live far from the reality of their subjects. Why then do we torment one another investing in the battle of those who will never march into the face of death. But we live fearful of eachother withhout the resolve to ask do you need help, would you help me?
June 17th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
okay, for sake of time, and my god given american laziness, im going to forego any and all interest in proper grammer or spelling mistakes. im writing from the heart, and the aorta is not composed by microsoft word.
everyone, the usa haters, the korean-despot sympathists all the way to the gun toting backwood armchair hardons that think america IS god.
needs.
to.
calm.
down.
i am an american. by birth. but america is the central hub of ethic soup. therefore, american i may be, but also scottish, german, native american indian, and asian as i found out lately. and that only goes back two gens. german of course is the only identifiable trait i carry what with the dark hair, and blue eyes. and scottish prevails in my inhuman ability to “inhale” the spirits. levity aside? everyone should take a step back and view the world from a WORLD view. we are ALL made up of the same junk. i serve in the U.S. military, yet i harbor no love for many american policies. my great grandfather migrated here after world war 2. he was a german army engineer. thats right MY bloodline served under the iron cross in ww2. and guess what, my gg DESERTED because he and four others refused to carry out order handed down, and knew, like may others did then, that they would be put down as insubordinates. (those orders were of horrible nature, your imagination would probably be accurate) i grew up on the horror stories. told to me by a man, like MANY of the soldiers fighting for the fatherland, that signed up to stay fed. to feed a family and recieve the meager pittens (yea i know thats not how you spell it) that military service guaranteed. becasue if he didnt? his family would be in those camps as the “unwanted”. he fought for th eman next to him. like i do. and like him he maintained a moral heart. so when he couldnt do what was asked of him because it was WRONG. EVIL. he bailed, he forged some orders and got the hell out of dodge. that baby poster up up top? i would exile myself if my comm ever passed down an order like that. but i cant speak for everyone i serve with. nor could my gg, as history can tell you.
do you care about my family tree, probably no. but i say this all for two reason. one, man is independant by nature. he will always think that he is better off and better suited to be his boss, than his boss is. he is a creature that will kill another for is belongings. KILL, a man becuse his god has a different name. i say will sparingly. what i really mean is capable of. we are capable of anything. we can either blast those who have it better, worse, easier, harder whatever. or we can condemn those who GOVERN us to “evil” status handed to them by the world. get it, its in the word GOVERNMENT, as in they GOVERN the populace. so two? if you dont like the one youre under, get the f**k out and move onto whatever pastures you preach are better, becuase you are OBVIOUSLY not contributing to ANY kind of solution here, just the problem. (hence the gg ‘dote) see the great thing about this country is, as previously stated, you are allowed to say these things. you are allowed to blast them, hate them, threaten them. and noone stops you. becuase you are free. you are not free in the nation stated above. ie. Nkorea, iran, irag, afgahn…. whatevs. this nation with all its flaws is stil world renown as “the free world”. free of any kind of gustapo, religious persecutions, taxations without representation, the whole nine yards. flawed? (wrongul arrest, KKK, health care discrepncies, corrupt and greedy politicians) yes. see; HUMAN. but no nation has more bleeding hearts. no nation has written laws forbidding the denial of water to a stranger on a hot day. i repeat that, it is illegal in the state of AZ to deny a stranger a glass of water. no nation is TRYING HARDER. to those that challenge that, enlist. we are flawed by our design, with the free will to do nothing but harm. but wake up everyone. we are capable as a SPECIES to do so much good. i believe in christ, you believe in ALLAH? cool, how is that working out for you. i guess ill have a beer and my freind will have orange juice. who gives a sh*t? you cant eat pork? damn, cuz bacons sh*t good pal, no worries though, heart disease and high cholesterol arent for everyone.
point is folks, we are ALL of us, floating along this water ball together. monkeys, lions, bunnies, deer, LEAVES… they all so-exist. humans and humans alone, wage war for personal gain. when you come on here and hate just to hate, you are a desease. facts this, lies that. who gives a sh*t, i am a medic. was a cop on the outside, and will be a teacher when i go home. and guess what, i would give you cpr regardless of who you pray too. i will save your life regardless of gender, or ethnicity. i will protect you, no matter what your politics, becuase its the right thing to do. start looking out for one another people, becuase one thing that ALL of our histories ahve in common is this. local changes. national decress. revolutions and reforms that have changed the world, all started at our level right here. the COMMON man. (or woman, :)) enlightenment is strived for, not given, but its the simpleton that can change the world. hitler was a painter, stalin parents were peasents – exiled five times, roosevelt couldnt walk, and einstein was a patent clerk that dropped out of GRADE school.
hitler or eienstien folks, make your bed and sleep in it. but be wary, anger is most dangerous in the hands of the retaliation. history will judge you, no matter what language its written in.
June 18th, 2009 at 7:47 am
This posters are great art. And they can see how we Americans realy are, from the outside.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:14 am
why can’t we all just get along..
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:55 pm
how we really are? sorry, i have yet to see a dog painted up like the flag. and i may have missed the “hang-a-baby-over-a-well” frat party. how was it?
twit.
June 25th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
og course it’s reported that nth korean literacy is at near 100%, they lie about everything, i mean, look at any poster with kim jong ill, show me one where he’s a four foot tall freak with stupid hair, no he’s always some towering figure whose physically imposing, when he’s really short chubby with goofy hair and psychotic
June 25th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
I see a lot of ignorant people here – on BOTH sides of the debate.
Many Americans don’t seem to realize that when we talk about “tragic mistakes” that their country has committed, innocent human lives (often thousands at a time) are lost. And for what? To make America “safer”? No, usually to help someone profit financially or to advance a personal agenda. Osama bin Laden WAS on good terms with the US (including Bush administration officials). So was Saddam. Who do you think sold him the materials and helicopters he used to gas the Kurds? (And which political party do you think voted down an attempt in the late 1980s to prevent that sale?) Come on guys, wake up. Just because you are presented with a convenient, rosy account of history, it doesn’t mean you should believe it. There’s a bigger world out there.
As for the US-bashers I’ve seen on this board, you are even worse. At least the other guys offer some cogent arguments. You, on the other hand, are throwing out all kinds of mindless slander that you proffered from some neo-marxist website. News flash: The Jews didn’t get phone calls to avoid coming to work on 9/11. And Iran isn’t the cute puppy that you would have it be. (The last statement is being proved all too true as I write this.)
The US has done some INEXCUSABLE things, and it is high time Americans started questioning them. (In fact, this should be done with some haste, because China is on its ascendancy. Woe be to all of us if the newly-empowered Chinese find a hostile America in their path.) I am happy to see on my trips to the US that this questioning IS beginning to take place (although you won’t see it much on TV).
But in questioning the motives of the worst Americans, we must be careful not to blindly attack everything that is American. Because then you fall into the hands of some wacko like “Dear Leader”.
June 29th, 2009 at 10:21 am
to trog,
hey, im getting mixed answers as i look up, what exactly is chinas path? are relations deteriorating?
July 2nd, 2009 at 5:16 pm
GREAT POSTERS!
It makes me so sad, when people can be so sick, that they can’t tell the true from the false. They just believe what they are told…like goats…just like goats…because if you don’t constantly shepherd them, they will revert to bad behavior…as if they don’t think at all…and if they do think, they are certainly not thinking of taking personal responsibility for what they did, they are thinking of ways to blame their consequences on somebody else. An exidtance devoid of honor or virtue.
If I am attacking my sister, and my dad helps my sister separate herself from me, by giving me a good whipping, and putting me on restriction, I would be sore, sure. I’d seethe for a while, then…I’d think, well…I was kind of whopping on my sister and well…really bullying her around. That isn’t so good to do to people. She deserves to live her life her way and I really shouldn’t have done that in the first place…I guess that whipping was needed because if I had continued, I might have killed her.
What N Korea is doing essentially is blowing my mind…it’s playing victim to the consequences of their own actions. Holding somebody accountable is not abuse…you want to have free trade? Be nice. You want to have an army? Be nice. Be nice…that makes us imperialists?
July 8th, 2009 at 12:28 am
I’m probably a lil behind in this debate, but alot of people just condem the U.S. for invading the middle east, it wasn’t just us man, the U.K. and other countries agreed to, this was all in a document by the U.N. , it wasn’t just Bush gettin drunk and gettin dared to make people hate him, it was him getting fucked up intel and believing the stuff, and alot of people are going to go all vaginal and say “he wanted duh 0ilz!1!1!” if he did he would of done off-shore drilling in alaska like almost all republicans want to do now
this is just a source for mr.bush’s offshore shit
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0422-06.htm
and bitch about U.S. and the U.K. and all the other MDC’s in the world but be happy you have what you have, and even if we are fucked up countries that doesn’t make everyone in them fucked up, just because Hitler was controlling Germany in WWII did every German want to murder jews and burn babies? no.
July 8th, 2009 at 12:31 am
trog i just read your statement and i agree man
August 4th, 2009 at 8:51 am
[...] exhibition of North Korean political posters is certainly [...]
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:39 am
The entire thread seems to be focused on the USA and goats.
That really puts things in perspective.
Anyway I’ve finally reach the end of the thread after two hours of intense reading, *phew*, I pretty much realised that people are taking turns to smack each other face using more or less the same arguments.
Here’s a summary:
The anti-Americans keep saying that US made big mistakes, and should stop bothering with other’s affairs without finding out the truth. The Sudan factory whatever is just one of the many examples
The pro-Americans keep saying that the US did more good than bad, and a country that is actually doing something to make the world a better place should not be condemned by countries that aren’t doing a thing at all. Maybe if the US stop doing so much, they’d commit less mistakes too, and people won’t be blaming them.
Maybe you should start working our arguments from here and stop repeating yourselves.
October 12th, 2009 at 6:18 am
Geez guys,
America has done its fair share of stupid things, but to completely dismiss the nature of what these posters ALONE suggest about the North Korean Government…
Face the facts: the North Korean DICTATORSHIP (Ironic, the full name of of N.Korea is the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea) is using military propaganda to incite the citizens against not JUST the US, but the western civilization in general. We’re talking about terrorism tactics here, people, not “fair points”. They don’t actually seem willing to really negotiate with just the US either, it seems all 1st world countries who are allied with the US are all of a sudden enemies.
Think of the images being presented – they may have reason to hate the US, but these posters show that they are indeed no better than the US – they resort to violence, they resort to cruel, underhand tactics. They play on people’s emotions. They don’t allow their own citizens to make informed decisions.
From what I understand (It may be just my view), the US, and every other country nowadays is more than willing to just put up arms, after all, such countries are primarily run by the people (I mean, they (I’m not American) got Bush out of the damn White House). However, such factions of terrorism such as the Taliban, and indeed, even N. Korea who take a hardline, military approach for seemingly no reason do not allow such peaceful co-existence in the world.
October 13th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
If you want to post your opinions, try learning a bit about the history of the countries you are discussing. The original grievance of North Korea towards the US goes back to the division of the country after WWII into North and South Korea. It had previously been one country, the North Korean position is that the US divided the nation as a tactic in Cold War Diplomacy then incited a war to benefit its military industrial complex akin to what they charge we did in Iraq.
The problem Iran has with the US also goes back to the 40s and 50s when we murdered a democratically elected government and installed a dictator then proceeded to assist him in brutally repressing his own people.
The problem that Muslims have with us also goes back to the 40s when we, under the influence of diaspora Jews bulldozed hundreds of thousands of Palestinian homes so that Jews could take their land and create the modern state of Israel.
Each of these problems with each of these members of the “Axis of Evil” is a direct consequence of our own past actions. Some going back as far as 60-70 years others as recent this decade where our actions in Iraq effectively made Iran the dominant power in the region (and now you sheep bawl and bail about how Iran is so dangerous… thank George Bush and the Neo Cons and Zionists for that one) and where our support of Israeli settlements on Palestinian land fuel terrorism, and where turn of policy in 2001 effectively allowed North Korea leverage for all sorts of sabre rattling.
Clean your own house before you go after anyone else. We’d have a lot more credibility on nuclear disarmament in regards to BOTH Iran and North Korea if we ourselves weren’t shielding the nuclear armament in Israel. Do you really think any of those nations in the Middle East are going to give up their nuclear ambitions with 3 countries in their own back yard including Israel who has not rules out a first strike has them?
THINK you damn sheep. I love the USA but I wish we could deport all you retards somewhere else
October 18th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
I don’t blame North Korea for hating America. America had to throw it’s anti-communist weight around instead of letting other countries do their own thing. If a country wants to be communist, that is their decision and they should be allowed to be communist as long as they can live in harmony with the rest of the world. The reason they hate us so much is because we tried to change them. Why can’t the US just stay out of other countries’ business?
I’m American and I don’t hate North Korea. I don’t know how bad Kim Jong Il really is (I only have U.S. propaganda to go by), but he can’t be that great if people are willing to risk their lives to try and escape. I can’t really believe it is quite as bad as our media makes it out to be. I believe there is some stretched truths, partial truths, or straight lies.
I just think this whole thing could be handled much better than it has been, and the Korean War could have also been handled better. The US is partially responsible for the divide of Korea.
There are two sides to this story, and of course each side is going to glorify themselves and demonize the other.
Simply put, the US needs to leave North Korea alone and North Korea needs to not mess around with nuclear weapons.
It IS possible for the two countries to at least tolerate each other, but neither side is trying very hard.
October 21st, 2009 at 12:40 pm
For Alien and everybody else
Sorry for post this so late
I love everything you said
but this is no a competition to see who is the worst nation,
of course they commit such terrible acts but we cannot reduce to their level and do such terrible things the same way the did, we are a free nation and we should treat our enemys with consideration
My father told me once “just because you are doing something good, it does not mean you can do bad”
October 29th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
When we see the amount of overwhelming propaganda brainwashing the Korean people and the affects it has on them, how do we know that U.S is not doing the same? Clearly it is not to the same ridiculous extent, but perhaps it is done in far more sinister ways. I know they are sure as hell are good at covering their tracks and warranting their actions as a bid for democracy and freedom… Anybody know what happened to Chile in the 70’s… and what happened to the democratically elected president??? Check it out…
November 11th, 2009 at 8:33 am
serious this is stupid why do we worry about north korea the whole population will starve before we even need to go to war with them. seriously the workers at mcdonalds have more money than the north . these propaganda posters are pathetic ofcourse they will hate on america , they dont like us because of what we got . there is no need to argue with the idiots who are north siders because we dont need to stoop to there level
November 23rd, 2009 at 4:16 am
My scholarly side tells me not to go here (lay down with dogs etc.), but, to quote Tom Robbins:
“There are two kinds of people in this world, those who think there are two kinds of people in the world and those who know better.”
(Except for of course, the Australians)
December 9th, 2009 at 10:21 am
LONG LIVE THE GREAT LEADER COMRADE KIM JONG IL !
December 11th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
My Name CPL Palma of the United States Marine Corp. I have sacrificed years of my life and the endured physical pain most Americans cannot even dream of. And I do it for one thing, to protect that document that gives these idiotic, ignorant, uneducated retards the right to say these disgusting un-patriotic comments against the country I may one day die defending.
Mark Twain once said “Patriotism is supporting your country always, and your governement when it deserves it”. Even if you are not satisfied with the way our country is run, stop whining about it and do something! And ANYBODY who wants to rail on the war, please follow my lead, enlist in a fighting force, and help out ourself! Otherwise, you have lost all credibility to me. Because we are doing good over there, but the papers will never tell you that.
It is interesting how people will say there is “no right or wrong”, and then procede to argue their ignorant opinion on how Korea is justified. Obviously, if there was no right or wrong, we would have nothing to argue about. What ever happened to the red blooded Americans, who supported their troops, and supported freedom. (And to whoever the moron who said they no longer capitalize America, please leave my country, because I will not die for you). This country needs to stop whining, and start acting. It’s fine and easy to leave insulting comments behind a fake name and no trace of identity, but it’s an entirely different matter when you are actually trying to make a difference. No one here, including me, is making a difference until we actually get up and start moving. Once you leave your dark hole of hatred, maybe you’ll wake up and realize what a wonderful country we live.
CPL Palma
December 29th, 2009 at 2:37 am
this is so sad. a country teaching its people to hate another country.
what has the world become?!
January 7th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
wasnt like that u commies
January 13th, 2010 at 10:24 am
You american retards, so:
1. Socialist doesn`t mean communist.
2. The history of the US is full of invasions, abuses, dictatorship…see Nicaragua, El Salvador, Chile, Argentina…Africa…every single dictator was put by the CIA…killing people everywhere.
3. For all you stupid ignorant americans, we don`t need your McDonalds, Coca Cola, blue jeans, and we are not communists, we have the freedom of speech, we don`t interfere in others` DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED governments.
I`m talking about Sweden, Norway, Finland, Island. These are socialist systems, the state really cares about HUMAN LIFE, no one is left dying when he/she is sick. The economy is great and people are free.
And we don`t steal this from others, WE produce it. We don`t kill, we live and let live.
PS: So, if the US(and others) has nuclear bombs, why can`t Iran have? Ahhh, right, the US has it for pacific purposes.
You dirty redneck rats, get the f*** out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen…leave them alone
January 24th, 2010 at 10:21 am
I love finding collections of propaganda posters like this. It doesn’t matter to me where they are from. Sometimes they are really funny or absurd, but I like to see them because they are so scary. I am scared that the people that they are intended for are bombarded with them so much that they might actually believe them. And, when they have no access to other information (like these kinds of forums where these ideas are debated ad infinitum) then how are they to know any different? How are they to determine the “truth” (if there even is such a thing).
Ever since I read Nineteen Eighty-Four I have been frightened by the immense propaganda I see around me everyday (from each side of of the political aisles). And, I like reading these propaganda posters because I feel like it helps to keep my mind sharp. I can see the lies coming at me because I have seen so many examples of it through this kind of art. Thank you for posting these pictures. I hope that people can learn more than hatred or blind loyalty from them.
January 25th, 2010 at 12:03 am
I think that each of you guys has some good points but im still standing by koreans, US is ok I don’t think there bad or anything but there doing the wrong things, in ww2 when japaness tried to make a tready the US Bombed them twice. whats up with that why couldn’t they just stop fighting.
the way the Nth koereans have to live now because of them “fearing” the US is horrable. why can’t everyone get along and stop all this hatred and fight.
February 3rd, 2010 at 7:30 pm
I hope that one day soon the nukes start flying. This world needs to start over with a fresh, clean slate. Let the survivors rebuild. That’ll teach the liberals.
February 8th, 2010 at 11:23 pm
Love America, stay and support.
Bash America, leave.
but you haven’t got the guts…
February 19th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
For those of you quick to bash the U.S., give this a watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwv-dndrMDE
It was made by someone who isn’t American.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:00 am
It’s funny how self proclaimed socialist always tout the beauty and fairness of the scandinavian countries. The honest truth they leave out is that these countries, if attacked, can barely defend themselves since they spend no money on military defence and everything on entitlements. Oh yeah don’t forget their oppressive taxes on the populace to support these freebies. The fact is their are over 200,000 right wingnuts, teabaggers, or dare I say freedom lovers in what the North Koreans would call re-education camps but are really concentration/labor camps. How ironic the evil and greedy South Koreans are their to shove their evil capitalist society right in their face as a reminder of how the left always fails. Just remember liberals, progressives, socialist, or communists (I am sorry I do not know what your label is now) there are 100,000,000 people dead and many more unaccounted for due to this ideology. Please save your excuses the fact is these deaths were also a result of socialism gone wild.
March 6th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
Just following the posts here reminds me how little this world has evolved since back in the days.
“we are 100 times better to our enemies than hitler, stalin”
Hmm, just the fact u still see other countries as enemies is bad enough in my ears.
USA today has fallen into the hands of a corrupt group of ppl that works with other leaders inside west.
Countries outside west are being terrorized by west every single day, but when someone tries to say “get the fuck out of our country” they are stated to be terrorists and needs to be bombed or whatever western leaders deicides to do.
Democracy is a good thing but its never good when our leaders treats may of us inside west liks scum and whoe countries outside west as terrorists.
March 9th, 2010 at 10:45 pm
They are pretty artistic. Some are very beautiful.