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> <channel><title>Comments on: The Other Side of Israel: My Journey Across the Jewish/Arab Divide by Susan Nathan</title> <atom:link href="http://calitreview.com/151/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://calitreview.com/151</link> <description>An arts and culture magazine.</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 12:24:37 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2</generator> <item><title>By: Markus</title><link>http://calitreview.com/151/comment-page-1#comment-202519</link> <dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 02:12:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://calitreview.com//non-fiction-reviews/the-other-side-of-israel-my-journey-across-the-jewisharab-divide-by-susan-nathan/#comment-202519</guid> <description>Helen Lewis,
Not a racist comment: just a comment on the patronising discourse in which some writers/activists like Susan Nathan position the Palestinians.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen Lewis,</p><p>Not a racist comment: just a comment on the patronising discourse in which some writers/activists like Susan Nathan position the Palestinians.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Helen LEwis</title><link>http://calitreview.com/151/comment-page-1#comment-138204</link> <dc:creator>Helen LEwis</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 22:10:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://calitreview.com//non-fiction-reviews/the-other-side-of-israel-my-journey-across-the-jewisharab-divide-by-susan-nathan/#comment-138204</guid> <description>A number of these respondents don;t seem to have read the review, let alone the book, and taken refuge in avoidance tactics. the issue isn;t about wiping palestinians asses (what a racist comment!) or being nice to them; its about givng them equal opportunities as citizens in their own country. Why is this so difficult for some Jews to understand? Do you remember nothing of your own history in Europe? Haven&#039;t you read your own prophets?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A number of these respondents don;t seem to have read the review, let alone the book, and taken refuge in avoidance tactics. the issue isn;t about wiping palestinians asses (what a racist comment!) or being nice to them; its about givng them equal opportunities as citizens in their own country. Why is this so difficult for some Jews to understand? Do you remember nothing of your own history in Europe? Haven&#8217;t you read your own prophets?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jess</title><link>http://calitreview.com/151/comment-page-1#comment-109325</link> <dc:creator>jess</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 16:59:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://calitreview.com//non-fiction-reviews/the-other-side-of-israel-my-journey-across-the-jewisharab-divide-by-susan-nathan/#comment-109325</guid> <description>you were speaking truth.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you were speaking truth.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ilse</title><link>http://calitreview.com/151/comment-page-1#comment-76645</link> <dc:creator>Ilse</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:53:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://calitreview.com//non-fiction-reviews/the-other-side-of-israel-my-journey-across-the-jewisharab-divide-by-susan-nathan/#comment-76645</guid> <description>I read the book in both German (where even the titel alludes to Ms Nathan&#039;s being an outcast in Israeli society...) and English, being an activist in the field of intercultural activities in the Galilee since 1996. I am deeply grateful for the fact that the topic of the Israeli Arabs is given some attention, since it is indeed much neglected in the mainstream society for many reasons, many of which I understand well. On the other hand I must admit that there are innumerous factual mistakes in the book. I have known many of the people the author quotes and writes about personally for many years, and there are gross misunderstandings in many of the circumstances of their lives and acivities described in the book. This goes for Harry Finkbeiner, the Sawa&#039;ed family, Yaakov Arnan - and indeed the whole initiative in Kibbutz Harduf, which is hardly to be recognised the way it is written about for anoyone who knows the efforts from the inside.
This makes me wonder - how many of the other &quot;facts&quot; Susan Nathan tells about might be just as inaccurate? I tend to think that she looks at the whole question as something that no one but her has any idea of how to deal with, making all the efforts that are being taken by others than herself look stupid, naive, ineffective...
So while I appreciate the fact that the topic through her best-seller (in Germany it is one at least, due to the noisy title which translates to something like &quot;They gave me thorns - rejected by her own people in the promised land&quot;) receives some attention I find it quite unbearable that the picture she creates of the actual situation is somewhat distorted and biased. There is more hope than she can see, there are more people active in positive ways and much more interaction, even though a lot still needs to be done!
The comparison to South Africa is something very personal, which reveals to us the way her mind works - she was a paria there because of the way she perceived apartheid, she came to Israel and took the same role, even if the circumstances are quite different...
And by the way - some of the comments here seem so indifferentiated that I start to understand her feelings... But thanks for the thorough analysis of the book by Laura Levitt, who might appreciate my comment...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the book in both German (where even the titel alludes to Ms Nathan&#8217;s being an outcast in Israeli society&#8230;) and English, being an activist in the field of intercultural activities in the Galilee since 1996. I am deeply grateful for the fact that the topic of the Israeli Arabs is given some attention, since it is indeed much neglected in the mainstream society for many reasons, many of which I understand well. On the other hand I must admit that there are innumerous factual mistakes in the book. I have known many of the people the author quotes and writes about personally for many years, and there are gross misunderstandings in many of the circumstances of their lives and acivities described in the book. This goes for Harry Finkbeiner, the Sawa&#8217;ed family, Yaakov Arnan &#8211; and indeed the whole initiative in Kibbutz Harduf, which is hardly to be recognised the way it is written about for anoyone who knows the efforts from the inside.<br
/> This makes me wonder &#8211; how many of the other &#8220;facts&#8221; Susan Nathan tells about might be just as inaccurate? I tend to think that she looks at the whole question as something that no one but her has any idea of how to deal with, making all the efforts that are being taken by others than herself look stupid, naive, ineffective&#8230;<br
/> So while I appreciate the fact that the topic through her best-seller (in Germany it is one at least, due to the noisy title which translates to something like &#8220;They gave me thorns &#8211; rejected by her own people in the promised land&#8221;) receives some attention I find it quite unbearable that the picture she creates of the actual situation is somewhat distorted and biased. There is more hope than she can see, there are more people active in positive ways and much more interaction, even though a lot still needs to be done!<br
/> The comparison to South Africa is something very personal, which reveals to us the way her mind works &#8211; she was a paria there because of the way she perceived apartheid, she came to Israel and took the same role, even if the circumstances are quite different&#8230;<br
/> And by the way &#8211; some of the comments here seem so indifferentiated that I start to understand her feelings&#8230; But thanks for the thorough analysis of the book by Laura Levitt, who might appreciate my comment&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: samydoc</title><link>http://calitreview.com/151/comment-page-1#comment-57086</link> <dc:creator>samydoc</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:14:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://calitreview.com//non-fiction-reviews/the-other-side-of-israel-my-journey-across-the-jewisharab-divide-by-susan-nathan/#comment-57086</guid> <description>Je viens de lire le livre de Mme Nathan. Je pense qu&#039;il faudrait proposer son nom pour le prix Nobel de la paix.
Quant aux personnes haineuses qui essayent de salir son nom, ce sont les mêmes qui ont intérêt que cet apartheid persiste, que les palestiniens soient enfermés dans leurs bantoustans, ou leurs ghettos.
L&#039;histoire jugera, tôt ou tard, ce peuple qui en opprime un autre sous prétexte qu&#039;il a été lui aussi victime.
Ce pays du moyen orient (Israël ou Palestine) ne peut être que le pays de plusieurs peuples, plusieurs religions, comme  il l&#039;a été depuis le début de l&#039;histoire. Ce racisme anti-arabe, latent et patent, finira par être la perte d&#039;Israel, car il ne lui sera pas pardonné.
Merci, Mme Nathan, vous êtes l&#039;honneur d&#039;Israel.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Je viens de lire le livre de Mme Nathan. Je pense qu&#8217;il faudrait proposer son nom pour le prix Nobel de la paix.</p><p>Quant aux personnes haineuses qui essayent de salir son nom, ce sont les mêmes qui ont intérêt que cet apartheid persiste, que les palestiniens soient enfermés dans leurs bantoustans, ou leurs ghettos.</p><p>L&#8217;histoire jugera, tôt ou tard, ce peuple qui en opprime un autre sous prétexte qu&#8217;il a été lui aussi victime.</p><p>Ce pays du moyen orient (Israël ou Palestine) ne peut être que le pays de plusieurs peuples, plusieurs religions, comme  il l&#8217;a été depuis le début de l&#8217;histoire. Ce racisme anti-arabe, latent et patent, finira par être la perte d&#8217;Israel, car il ne lui sera pas pardonné.</p><p>Merci, Mme Nathan, vous êtes l&#8217;honneur d&#8217;Israel.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: yiddishi gerard from mumbai</title><link>http://calitreview.com/151/comment-page-1#comment-55132</link> <dc:creator>yiddishi gerard from mumbai</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 03:15:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://calitreview.com//non-fiction-reviews/the-other-side-of-israel-my-journey-across-the-jewisharab-divide-by-susan-nathan/#comment-55132</guid> <description>Yes yes yes but what we forget is that at the root of all problems are pirate english.  the rot from mainland europe, pirates, took england from celts.  then english too usa, and australia, new zealand, and england and its ex colony was the bottom of creating israel. england made pakistan and england must atone again and again and again. spanish too robbed south america and forced catholicism and spanish there.  england reduce your population.  england is the most crowded state in europe, and they are tip top liars and hypocrites.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes yes yes but what we forget is that at the root of all problems are pirate english.  the rot from mainland europe, pirates, took england from celts.  then english too usa, and australia, new zealand, and england and its ex colony was the bottom of creating israel. england made pakistan and england must atone again and again and again. spanish too robbed south america and forced catholicism and spanish there.  england reduce your population.  england is the most crowded state in europe, and they are tip top liars and hypocrites.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: moshe rabeynu</title><link>http://calitreview.com/151/comment-page-1#comment-42977</link> <dc:creator>moshe rabeynu</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:10:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://calitreview.com//non-fiction-reviews/the-other-side-of-israel-my-journey-across-the-jewisharab-divide-by-susan-nathan/#comment-42977</guid> <description>I would like to inquire, for curiosity&#039;s sake, how many shekels Mrs. Nathan has made for publishing her book and for the subsequent speaking tours? It would be most enlightening to know how much of the proceeds she has contributed to making the lives of the residents on Tamra more enjoyable? Jewish intellectuals like to write learned and humanitarian scholarly works demonstrating their empathy for the poor underdogs of the world and, while doing so,to make a handsome living.  Yes, there is a market today for the runinations of self flaggelating intellectual Jews to demean and castigate Israel. It gives Arabs and anti-semitic Gentiles nachis to be given these juicy tidbits by a Jewish scholar. It gives Jewish readers a chance to vicariously walk in the anti-semite&#039;s shoes and mumble epithets against &quot;the Jews&quot;. There is a war situation going on and, although Mrs. Nathan would like them to, Israel cannot quite manage to wipe the palestinian arabs&#039; asses for them during this war situation. As far as actual &quot;persecution&quot; being perpetuated, one must ask the question &quot;Is the Palestinian population growing or diminishing?&quot;  Although they may have hurt feelings and a sense of being the underdog in Israel&#039;s society, has their population been cut down by the so called &quot;harsh inadequacies and persecution?&quot;.  I dare say that it hasn&#039;t and quite the opposite has been the case. When there is peace, life for everyone will be better. It will be easier for Jews and Palestinians to relate to each other as fellow human beings and neighbors. Of course, along the long and tedious route to peace, there will be scholarly intellectuals, like Mrs. Nathan, who will be more than glad to show how humanitarian they are in their tomes and make a handsome living in the process.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to inquire, for curiosity&#8217;s sake, how many shekels Mrs. Nathan has made for publishing her book and for the subsequent speaking tours? It would be most enlightening to know how much of the proceeds she has contributed to making the lives of the residents on Tamra more enjoyable? Jewish intellectuals like to write learned and humanitarian scholarly works demonstrating their empathy for the poor underdogs of the world and, while doing so,to make a handsome living.  Yes, there is a market today for the runinations of self flaggelating intellectual Jews to demean and castigate Israel. It gives Arabs and anti-semitic Gentiles nachis to be given these juicy tidbits by a Jewish scholar. It gives Jewish readers a chance to vicariously walk in the anti-semite&#8217;s shoes and mumble epithets against &#8220;the Jews&#8221;. There is a war situation going on and, although Mrs. Nathan would like them to, Israel cannot quite manage to wipe the palestinian arabs&#8217; asses for them during this war situation. As far as actual &#8220;persecution&#8221; being perpetuated, one must ask the question &#8220;Is the Palestinian population growing or diminishing?&#8221;  Although they may have hurt feelings and a sense of being the underdog in Israel&#8217;s society, has their population been cut down by the so called &#8220;harsh inadequacies and persecution?&#8221;.  I dare say that it hasn&#8217;t and quite the opposite has been the case. When there is peace, life for everyone will be better. It will be easier for Jews and Palestinians to relate to each other as fellow human beings and neighbors. Of course, along the long and tedious route to peace, there will be scholarly intellectuals, like Mrs. Nathan, who will be more than glad to show how humanitarian they are in their tomes and make a handsome living in the process.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dermot</title><link>http://calitreview.com/151/comment-page-1#comment-41629</link> <dc:creator>Dermot</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:21:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://calitreview.com//non-fiction-reviews/the-other-side-of-israel-my-journey-across-the-jewisharab-divide-by-susan-nathan/#comment-41629</guid> <description>Among Jews, the legacy of the Torah has made conscience a primary motivator.  More than many other groups, they agonise over issues, question the rightness of the behaviour of individuals and social groups, including -- often most trenchantly of all -- their own, and take up the oppression of others as their own cause.  This trait is a most admirable one and is one of the chief foundations of whatever morality lies at the base of our Judaeo-Christian civilisation.  It is conscience that has put Jews in the front line of struggles for human betterment everywhere.
The problem is that a surfeit of conscience in particular situations can get you killed.  If not informed by a sober appreciation of realities, especially historical and political realities, it can become a rationale for surrender or even collective suicide.  Left-wing and &#039;peace activist&#039; Jews such as Ms. Nathan are people of tender conscience who focus exclusively on the issue &#039;is Israel being kind enough to its Arabs?&#039;, imagine that it&#039;s all simply about folks &#039;getting along&#039; and forget or do not understand contextual matters such as the nature of nationalism, the attitude of mainstream, let alone radical, Islam to the existence of a Jewish state, and finally, the relation of the nation state to democracy.
Setting up an ideal standard of what the treatment of the Arab minority should be, they see the half-empty rather than the half-full glass.  A 20% minority that does not share any of the national ethos of the state is an extremely rare phenomenon in the world, let alone in a democracy.  I can&#039;t think of any others that aren&#039;t failed states racked by instability.  Israel has done pretty well to have its Arab minority -- with a far higher living standard and far more freedoms than they would enjoy in any Arab state and far more than their own culture would naturally encourage -- represented at all levels of society up to the Supreme Court.
Here&#039;s the bottom line: contrary to Ms. Nathan&#039;s thesis, Israel&#039;s continuation as a democracy depends on its continuation as a Jewish state.  Imperfect as it is now, Israel&#039;s democracy would not survive in the kind of state desired by the left -- some kind of binational state with a neutral identity.  With only a tiny fraction of the land area and population of the Middle East, Jews would inexorably find themselves drawn back into their historic status in the region -- that of dhimmis/second class citizens in an overwhelmingly Muslim world.  Israel&#039;s democracy, in order to survive, must take strong measures to defend its existence in a very turbulent neighbourhood.
Jewish conscience is too tender a plant to survive unaided in a world full of threats and dangers.  It needs an alliance with Greek Stoic philosophy to infuse it with the strength needed to live in an imperfect world.  This means that, while maintaining the highest moral standards, it must accept that these may not always be realisable and that imperfect, though viable, arrangements are the best that may be attainable in a world where evil exists.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Among Jews, the legacy of the Torah has made conscience a primary motivator.  More than many other groups, they agonise over issues, question the rightness of the behaviour of individuals and social groups, including &#8212; often most trenchantly of all &#8212; their own, and take up the oppression of others as their own cause.  This trait is a most admirable one and is one of the chief foundations of whatever morality lies at the base of our Judaeo-Christian civilisation.  It is conscience that has put Jews in the front line of struggles for human betterment everywhere.</p><p>The problem is that a surfeit of conscience in particular situations can get you killed.  If not informed by a sober appreciation of realities, especially historical and political realities, it can become a rationale for surrender or even collective suicide.  Left-wing and &#8216;peace activist&#8217; Jews such as Ms. Nathan are people of tender conscience who focus exclusively on the issue &#8216;is Israel being kind enough to its Arabs?&#8217;, imagine that it&#8217;s all simply about folks &#8216;getting along&#8217; and forget or do not understand contextual matters such as the nature of nationalism, the attitude of mainstream, let alone radical, Islam to the existence of a Jewish state, and finally, the relation of the nation state to democracy.</p><p>Setting up an ideal standard of what the treatment of the Arab minority should be, they see the half-empty rather than the half-full glass.  A 20% minority that does not share any of the national ethos of the state is an extremely rare phenomenon in the world, let alone in a democracy.  I can&#8217;t think of any others that aren&#8217;t failed states racked by instability.  Israel has done pretty well to have its Arab minority &#8212; with a far higher living standard and far more freedoms than they would enjoy in any Arab state and far more than their own culture would naturally encourage &#8212; represented at all levels of society up to the Supreme Court.</p><p>Here&#8217;s the bottom line: contrary to Ms. Nathan&#8217;s thesis, Israel&#8217;s continuation as a democracy depends on its continuation as a Jewish state.  Imperfect as it is now, Israel&#8217;s democracy would not survive in the kind of state desired by the left &#8212; some kind of binational state with a neutral identity.  With only a tiny fraction of the land area and population of the Middle East, Jews would inexorably find themselves drawn back into their historic status in the region &#8212; that of dhimmis/second class citizens in an overwhelmingly Muslim world.  Israel&#8217;s democracy, in order to survive, must take strong measures to defend its existence in a very turbulent neighbourhood.</p><p>Jewish conscience is too tender a plant to survive unaided in a world full of threats and dangers.  It needs an alliance with Greek Stoic philosophy to infuse it with the strength needed to live in an imperfect world.  This means that, while maintaining the highest moral standards, it must accept that these may not always be realisable and that imperfect, though viable, arrangements are the best that may be attainable in a world where evil exists.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: karen Levy mktwinmakers@yahoo.com</title><link>http://calitreview.com/151/comment-page-1#comment-41275</link> <dc:creator>karen Levy mktwinmakers@yahoo.com</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:12:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://calitreview.com//non-fiction-reviews/the-other-side-of-israel-my-journey-across-the-jewisharab-divide-by-susan-nathan/#comment-41275</guid> <description>I&#039;d appreciate being contacted by anyone familiar with the village of Tamra.
K</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d appreciate being contacted by anyone familiar with the village of Tamra.<br
/> K</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: karen Levy</title><link>http://calitreview.com/151/comment-page-1#comment-41274</link> <dc:creator>karen Levy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:10:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://calitreview.com//non-fiction-reviews/the-other-side-of-israel-my-journey-across-the-jewisharab-divide-by-susan-nathan/#comment-41274</guid> <description>I&#039;m an American-Israeli writer trying to find someone in Tamra. How do I contact someone who has been there recently?
K</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an American-Israeli writer trying to find someone in Tamra. How do I contact someone who has been there recently?<br
/> K</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Hadassa</title><link>http://calitreview.com/151/comment-page-1#comment-36690</link> <dc:creator>Hadassa</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:01:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://calitreview.com//non-fiction-reviews/the-other-side-of-israel-my-journey-across-the-jewisharab-divide-by-susan-nathan/#comment-36690</guid> <description>C&#039;mon Jews, srew up your courage and admit that she is bloody right. As I do. Being a Jew requires an open - mindedness!
Hadassa</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8217;mon Jews, srew up your courage and admit that she is bloody right. As I do. Being a Jew requires an open &#8211; mindedness!</p><p>Hadassa</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kathleen</title><link>http://calitreview.com/151/comment-page-1#comment-26581</link> <dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:07:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://calitreview.com//non-fiction-reviews/the-other-side-of-israel-my-journey-across-the-jewisharab-divide-by-susan-nathan/#comment-26581</guid> <description>I thiink this woman must have delusions of grandeur.
Typical of a left winger and an unscrupulous lier.
She should write about the atrocities commited by the
Israeli/Arabs who act as enemies within the country,even
whe they are members of the Knesset.
I will not buy the book,because it is a sickening and
false accusation against a democratic Israel.
Hey Susan why don&#039;t you leave your comfortable domicile in the U.K and move over to Gaza and see how long you&#039;d survive!
Sheeesh disgusting to say the least.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thiink this woman must have delusions of grandeur.<br
/> Typical of a left winger and an unscrupulous lier.<br
/> She should write about the atrocities commited by the<br
/> Israeli/Arabs who act as enemies within the country,even<br
/> whe they are members of the Knesset.<br
/> I will not buy the book,because it is a sickening and<br
/> false accusation against a democratic Israel.<br
/> Hey Susan why don&#8217;t you leave your comfortable domicile in the U.K and move over to Gaza and see how long you&#8217;d survive!<br
/> Sheeesh disgusting to say the least.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kathleen</title><link>http://calitreview.com/151/comment-page-1#comment-26580</link> <dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:02:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://calitreview.com//non-fiction-reviews/the-other-side-of-israel-my-journey-across-the-jewisharab-divide-by-susan-nathan/#comment-26580</guid> <description>The first respondent said it.This is pure SHITE!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first respondent said it.This is pure SHITE!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Smadar Carmon</title><link>http://calitreview.com/151/comment-page-1#comment-9790</link> <dc:creator>Smadar Carmon</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:02:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://calitreview.com//non-fiction-reviews/the-other-side-of-israel-my-journey-across-the-jewisharab-divide-by-susan-nathan/#comment-9790</guid> <description>I am tremendously grateful for Susan Nathan&#039;s book. growing up as an Israeli Jew I thought I knew it all, but by reading this book it has opened my eyes. The book has helped me understand that what us Israelis are doing is more than just an occupation, it is systemic and cruel, and I hate to say it but it&#039;s more like a genocide. I admire Susan&#039;s integrity and desire to find out what is really happening. I also appreciate that the book includes many facts about many different facets regarding the life of Palestinians. As an Israeli born I have always known that things were not right, but after reading this book I realize how superficial my knowledge has been. because of this book I will never see things the same. Smadar Carmon</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am tremendously grateful for Susan Nathan&#8217;s book. growing up as an Israeli Jew I thought I knew it all, but by reading this book it has opened my eyes. The book has helped me understand that what us Israelis are doing is more than just an occupation, it is systemic and cruel, and I hate to say it but it&#8217;s more like a genocide. I admire Susan&#8217;s integrity and desire to find out what is really happening. I also appreciate that the book includes many facts about many different facets regarding the life of Palestinians. As an Israeli born I have always known that things were not right, but after reading this book I realize how superficial my knowledge has been. because of this book I will never see things the same. Smadar Carmon</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Deek Deekster</title><link>http://calitreview.com/151/comment-page-1#comment-9505</link> <dc:creator>Deek Deekster</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:48:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://calitreview.com//non-fiction-reviews/the-other-side-of-israel-my-journey-across-the-jewisharab-divide-by-susan-nathan/#comment-9505</guid> <description>A superb book, and a good review. Susan Nathan has done us all a great service by her bravery.
I also note - and this is backed up by the very few disparaging comments made here - the compete lack of substantial comments offered by the nay-sayers. It&#039;s hard to present a convincing argument against the truth.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A superb book, and a good review. Susan Nathan has done us all a great service by her bravery.</p><p>I also note &#8211; and this is backed up by the very few disparaging comments made here &#8211; the compete lack of substantial comments offered by the nay-sayers. It&#8217;s hard to present a convincing argument against the truth.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anne</title><link>http://calitreview.com/151/comment-page-1#comment-7236</link> <dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:13:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://calitreview.com//non-fiction-reviews/the-other-side-of-israel-my-journey-across-the-jewisharab-divide-by-susan-nathan/#comment-7236</guid> <description>Amazing book - most impressive.
Rafe&#039; - if you want a copy you can get it in Jerusalem (if you can get to Jerusalem!) at the Educational Bookshop in Saladin Street.  Good luck!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing book &#8211; most impressive.<br
/> Rafe&#8217; &#8211; if you want a copy you can get it in Jerusalem (if you can get to Jerusalem!) at the Educational Bookshop in Saladin Street.  Good luck!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Diane</title><link>http://calitreview.com/151/comment-page-1#comment-6895</link> <dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 09:54:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://calitreview.com//non-fiction-reviews/the-other-side-of-israel-my-journey-across-the-jewisharab-divide-by-susan-nathan/#comment-6895</guid> <description>I have never read such crap in all my born days. I didnt realize there was a new planet called &quot;stupidity&quot;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never read such crap in all my born days. I didnt realize there was a new planet called &#8220;stupidity&#8221;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sid Sloth</title><link>http://calitreview.com/151/comment-page-1#comment-2459</link> <dc:creator>Sid Sloth</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:16:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://calitreview.com//non-fiction-reviews/the-other-side-of-israel-my-journey-across-the-jewisharab-divide-by-susan-nathan/#comment-2459</guid> <description>To all people who are dissappointed in the Jews and their conduct. Also relevant to the ones who have the opposite view, i don&#039;t take sides here (as much as humanly possible).
Ofcourse there are atrocities commited! Both on the front-line and the backyard. By both sides. What Western culture has the luxury to ignore (or pretend to) is that you need to brake some eggs to make an omlet.
Yes! That burger you&#039;re sucking down is made with the meat (some) of a cow that suffered all her life and was slaughtered cruely (sometimes left injured to suffer terribly) by someone who you pay to do that.
You&#039;re conviniently shut in your office, shaking your fist at the newspaper, while paying others (soldiers, etc) to do your killing for you.
Do not judge those who fight for their right to exist or the future of their children (literally). You are in no position.
Mrs Nathan, a very brave feat, i think it&#039;s great that the world gets to see through the eyes of the little guy.
Sid</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all people who are dissappointed in the Jews and their conduct. Also relevant to the ones who have the opposite view, i don&#8217;t take sides here (as much as humanly possible).</p><p>Ofcourse there are atrocities commited! Both on the front-line and the backyard. By both sides. What Western culture has the luxury to ignore (or pretend to) is that you need to brake some eggs to make an omlet.</p><p>Yes! That burger you&#8217;re sucking down is made with the meat (some) of a cow that suffered all her life and was slaughtered cruely (sometimes left injured to suffer terribly) by someone who you pay to do that.</p><p>You&#8217;re conviniently shut in your office, shaking your fist at the newspaper, while paying others (soldiers, etc) to do your killing for you.</p><p>Do not judge those who fight for their right to exist or the future of their children (literally). You are in no position.</p><p>Mrs Nathan, a very brave feat, i think it&#8217;s great that the world gets to see through the eyes of the little guy.</p><p>Sid</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: danny</title><link>http://calitreview.com/151/comment-page-1#comment-1609</link> <dc:creator>danny</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:20:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://calitreview.com//non-fiction-reviews/the-other-side-of-israel-my-journey-across-the-jewisharab-divide-by-susan-nathan/#comment-1609</guid> <description>This book masquerades as an expose of discriminatory living conditions for Arab Israelis when in fact, upon closer examination, it is a tirade against the existence of the state of Israel. The situation of the Indian native people of America is far more devastating. America has practised ethic cleansing, genocide, massacres against our Indian people. Take a good look at Alaska and see what I mean.
How about America</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This book masquerades as an expose of discriminatory living conditions for Arab Israelis when in fact, upon closer examination, it is a tirade against the existence of the state of Israel. The situation of the Indian native people of America is far more devastating. America has practised ethic cleansing, genocide, massacres against our Indian people. Take a good look at Alaska and see what I mean.</p><p>How about America</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rafe'</title><link>http://calitreview.com/151/comment-page-1#comment-1544</link> <dc:creator>Rafe'</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:58:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://calitreview.com//non-fiction-reviews/the-other-side-of-israel-my-journey-across-the-jewisharab-divide-by-susan-nathan/#comment-1544</guid> <description>As an Israeli arab I am proud of you Susan for writing this book. I just finished reading it today, and I had tears in my eyes so many times while reading it ... Thank you Susan for shedding light on our crazy reality that we have been living the past decades ...
I came across this book overseas, and I am definitely not bringing it back with me when I go back because I might be harrassed and investigated for hours in the Israeli airport for having such book. They would find it ofcourse after they search my suitcases VERY thoroughly like always ... ma la&#039;asot!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an Israeli arab I am proud of you Susan for writing this book. I just finished reading it today, and I had tears in my eyes so many times while reading it &#8230; Thank you Susan for shedding light on our crazy reality that we have been living the past decades &#8230;</p><p>I came across this book overseas, and I am definitely not bringing it back with me when I go back because I might be harrassed and investigated for hours in the Israeli airport for having such book. They would find it ofcourse after they search my suitcases VERY thoroughly like always &#8230; ma la&#8217;asot!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mattik</title><link>http://calitreview.com/151/comment-page-1#comment-722</link> <dc:creator>mattik</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 17:28:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://calitreview.com//non-fiction-reviews/the-other-side-of-israel-my-journey-across-the-jewisharab-divide-by-susan-nathan/#comment-722</guid> <description>Thank you Susan! Really shaking book among these lies we hear around us.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Susan! Really shaking book among these lies we hear around us.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: david johnson</title><link>http://calitreview.com/151/comment-page-1#comment-721</link> <dc:creator>david johnson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 17:28:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://calitreview.com//non-fiction-reviews/the-other-side-of-israel-my-journey-across-the-jewisharab-divide-by-susan-nathan/#comment-721</guid> <description>The book is a wake-up call. I have always believed in what Ms. Nathan writes of since 1973 when, speacking to a Palestinian refugee in NY (who lived in Lebanon) told me of what was happening in Israel. Until that time I had thought everything Jewish was the BEST - I have Jewish relatives on my mother&#039;s side. Unless the world and especially America wake up to the realities of what is addressed in this book, no peace will be forthcoming. Quite the contrary - I fear WWIII could be just around the corner - thus the added urgency of knowing the truth. Thank you for printing this</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The book is a wake-up call. I have always believed in what Ms. Nathan writes of since 1973 when, speacking to a Palestinian refugee in NY (who lived in Lebanon) told me of what was happening in Israel. Until that time I had thought everything Jewish was the BEST &#8211; I have Jewish relatives on my mother&#8217;s side. Unless the world and especially America wake up to the realities of what is addressed in this book, no peace will be forthcoming. Quite the contrary &#8211; I fear WWIII could be just around the corner &#8211; thus the added urgency of knowing the truth. Thank you for printing this</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: anonymous</title><link>http://calitreview.com/151/comment-page-1#comment-720</link> <dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 17:27:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://calitreview.com//non-fiction-reviews/the-other-side-of-israel-my-journey-across-the-jewisharab-divide-by-susan-nathan/#comment-720</guid> <description>During the few days that it took me to complete the book I had a terrible nightmare. It involved an attack - not by Arab or Palestinians - but by Jewish people I knew.  I feel as if it&#039;s almost symbolic. If all the facts in the book are true, then I feel like I have been fed and have helped to perpetuate a huge lie and injustice. Like Susan Nathan, I too was brought up to believe the correctness of Israel and its democracy and the evil of the Arabs who attacked Israel from its inception in 1948.
This book is causing me to question some core beliefs I have held throughout my entire life.  I am still struggling to untangle truth from fiction in my own mind. Any reader who supports Zionism will find that Zionism, given that the facts in the book are true, has a much different meaning in practice in Israel, than he or she ever dreamed of. In other words I never would have considered that a Jewish state could be incompatible with democracy, until now.
Susan Nathan&#039;s book is hard to put down while reading, but its personal impact is even harder to dismiss.
I pray that what she says isn&#039;t basically true -- because if it is--  Israeli Arabs have been dealt a terrible injustice since 1948 that must be rectified, and Israeli youth and reservists are being put in situations that prevent them from following the Torah - which is what truly Jewish people hold dear. Being Jewish means following the Torah, and that path leads to justice, not  justice for Israel&#039;s Jewish citizens only, but for her Arab ones as well.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the few days that it took me to complete the book I had a terrible nightmare. It involved an attack &#8211; not by Arab or Palestinians &#8211; but by Jewish people I knew.  I feel as if it&#8217;s almost symbolic. If all the facts in the book are true, then I feel like I have been fed and have helped to perpetuate a huge lie and injustice. Like Susan Nathan, I too was brought up to believe the correctness of Israel and its democracy and the evil of the Arabs who attacked Israel from its inception in 1948.</p><p>This book is causing me to question some core beliefs I have held throughout my entire life.  I am still struggling to untangle truth from fiction in my own mind. Any reader who supports Zionism will find that Zionism, given that the facts in the book are true, has a much different meaning in practice in Israel, than he or she ever dreamed of. In other words I never would have considered that a Jewish state could be incompatible with democracy, until now.</p><p>Susan Nathan&#8217;s book is hard to put down while reading, but its personal impact is even harder to dismiss.</p><p>I pray that what she says isn&#8217;t basically true &#8212; because if it is&#8211;  Israeli Arabs have been dealt a terrible injustice since 1948 that must be rectified, and Israeli youth and reservists are being put in situations that prevent them from following the Torah &#8211; which is what truly Jewish people hold dear. Being Jewish means following the Torah, and that path leads to justice, not  justice for Israel&#8217;s Jewish citizens only, but for her Arab ones as well.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: badger</title><link>http://calitreview.com/151/comment-page-1#comment-719</link> <dc:creator>badger</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 17:26:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://calitreview.com//non-fiction-reviews/the-other-side-of-israel-my-journey-across-the-jewisharab-divide-by-susan-nathan/#comment-719</guid> <description>your book is cool</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your book is cool</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: shane farrell</title><link>http://calitreview.com/151/comment-page-1#comment-718</link> <dc:creator>shane farrell</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 17:26:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://calitreview.com//non-fiction-reviews/the-other-side-of-israel-my-journey-across-the-jewisharab-divide-by-susan-nathan/#comment-718</guid> <description>it was shite</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it was shite</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
