Comments on: Christine MacDonald on the Corruption of the Environmental Movement http://calitreview.com/1249 Book reviews, essays, and author interviews. Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:56:24 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jim West http://calitreview.com/1249/comment-page-1#comment-32638 Jim West Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:29:22 +0000 http://calitreview.com/?p=1249#comment-32638 Courageous, yes, Christine. Audubon Society has major polluters on its board of directors. Rachel's Environmental Weekly researched that group. ASoc execs transition between ASoc, industry and government environmental agencies, as I understand. There is information about bird mortality and misdiagnoses on my website www.geocities.com/noxot The concept of "miners' canaries" is apparently subverted by "scientists" and environmental and medical agencies. I found a book about 2 decades ago in the New York Public Library, that listed activist and watchdog groups and their funding. As I recall most of them were funded by the industries they critique. Courageous, yes, Christine.

Audubon Society has major polluters on its board of directors. Rachel’s Environmental Weekly researched that group. ASoc execs transition between ASoc, industry and government environmental agencies, as I understand.

There is information about bird mortality and misdiagnoses on my website http://www.geocities.com/noxot

The concept of “miners’ canaries” is apparently subverted by “scientists” and environmental and medical agencies.

I found a book about 2 decades ago in the New York Public Library, that listed activist and watchdog groups and their funding. As I recall most of them were funded by the industries they critique.

]]> By: Magne Karlsen http://calitreview.com/1249/comment-page-1#comment-32390 Magne Karlsen Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:27:22 +0000 http://calitreview.com/?p=1249#comment-32390 I don't know what you'll make of my comment here. It's just something I wrote about the current state of affairs in the oil rich country of Norway, and originally published in a discussion board thread. You'll find the whole thing here: http://www.theenvironmentsite.org/forum/debates-discussions/13533-australias-disaster-combating-climate-change-2.html#post251757 - -- Norway's climate change policy is basically in line with what most Western European countries are doing. They're setting emission reduction targets for 2020 and 2050, yet do nothing at all in that respect; at least not for the moment. And this is just one of the things that is driving me crazy: it all boils down to a question of postponement. And honestly speaking! Our politicians, economists, industry leaders, and even a seriously big bunch of social scientists are nothing but liars and cheats! Disinformation, misuse of information, misrepresentation of information, lies, more lies, and shameless deceit is the very nature of the game these people are playing! That's the essence of what is going on around here. And Norwegian journalists seem to have reached the shared conclusion that this must be allowed to continue indefinitely. - S.I.L.E.N.C.E. is the order of the day. It may even make a poor fool like myself start to believe that the cultural elite of this country has already reached the conclusion that no climate change action is ever going to take place anyway; and as they do not write about it anymore, or talk about it, or think about it, it sure seems as if they've also reached the conclusion that the global warming / climate change (IPCC shit) situation is really not interesting at all. Or, better, perhaps, that it is a situation which cannot be dealt with in any intelligent manner, so why waste your time thinking, writing, and talking about it? Like some stupid idiot and a nitwit? Some useless fool? You know? Lester Brown was right when, recently, he said that Norway really had no climate change action plan. He was implying that our politicians are in the nonsense business of throwing numbers at the future, that's all; that they really do not provide us with plans and strategies as concerns the way in which the proposed emission reductions are going to take place. This is a question of theory and practice. And it really is not as if Norwegian politicians, economists, and industry leaders are going to settle for a reduction of our oil extracting activities. Oh, not at all! Oh, never! The oil, the gas, and the coal is HOLY SHIT. So. Therefore. We. Do. Not. Talk. About. CO2 emissions. Stemming. From. The extraction. And consumption. Of oil, gas, and coal. It would be BLASPHEMIC. I don’t know what you’ll make of my comment here. It’s just something I wrote about the current state of affairs in the oil rich country of Norway, and originally published in a discussion board thread.

You’ll find the whole thing here: http://www.theenvironmentsite.org/forum/debates-discussions/13533-australias-disaster-combating-climate-change-2.html#post251757

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Norway’s climate change policy is basically in line with what most Western European countries are doing. They’re setting emission reduction targets for 2020 and 2050, yet do nothing at all in that respect; at least not for the moment. And this is just one of the things that is driving me crazy: it all boils down to a question of postponement. And honestly speaking! Our politicians, economists, industry leaders, and even a seriously big bunch of social scientists are nothing but liars and cheats!

Disinformation, misuse of information, misrepresentation of information, lies, more lies, and shameless deceit is the very nature of the game these people are playing! That’s the essence of what is going on around here. And Norwegian journalists seem to have reached the shared conclusion that this must be allowed to continue indefinitely. – S.I.L.E.N.C.E. is the order of the day. It may even make a poor fool like myself start to believe that the cultural elite of this country has already reached the conclusion that no climate change action is ever going to take place anyway; and as they do not write about it anymore, or talk about it, or think about it, it sure seems as if they’ve also reached the conclusion that the global warming / climate change (IPCC shit) situation is really not interesting at all. Or, better, perhaps, that it is a situation which cannot be dealt with in any intelligent manner, so why waste your time thinking, writing, and talking about it? Like some stupid idiot and a nitwit? Some useless fool? You know?

Lester Brown was right when, recently, he said that Norway really had no climate change action plan. He was implying that our politicians are in the nonsense business of throwing numbers at the future, that’s all; that they really do not provide us with plans and strategies as concerns the way in which the proposed emission reductions are going to take place. This is a question of theory and practice. And it really is not as if Norwegian politicians, economists, and industry leaders are going to settle for a reduction of our oil extracting activities. Oh, not at all! Oh, never! The oil, the gas, and the coal is HOLY SHIT. So. Therefore. We. Do. Not. Talk. About. CO2 emissions. Stemming. From. The extraction. And consumption. Of oil, gas, and coal. It would be BLASPHEMIC.

]]> By: sanjita http://calitreview.com/1249/comment-page-1#comment-32297 sanjita Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:35:30 +0000 http://calitreview.com/?p=1249#comment-32297 I will tell you what is wrong Kabuki- its hypocritical. The messaging of green orgs is sustainability and generally to live humbly on less excess. You can bet that there are thousands of employess at these organizations who are doing so for a cause why those at the top aren't following the company line. My guess is that the money you talk about had less to do with the CEO and more to do with those people-- the work of field program people begging for money, grantwriters etc.. Regardless-they are telling people in the world who are struggling just to survive to make true sacrifices - like not to hunt bushmeat or kill predators that hunt their livestock while thy live fat. When you inject this kind of money-you lose credibility. Lets say this CEO's salary was cut in half to a paltry 410K. he could probably manage to live on that-ya think? Do you know how much conservation work can be done oversees for that other 410K. A LOT. Many budget to save entire species are a fraction of that-but it won't get done because these high ranking people want this money. So what then do you say when they come knocking on your door asking for 20$. You say-"ask your CEO to chip to pay for it". Or more to the author of this book's point-with the money coming from corporations-what is not getting done so that you can greenwash for this corporation. I will tell you what is wrong Kabuki- its hypocritical. The messaging of green orgs is sustainability and generally to live humbly on less excess. You can bet that there are thousands of employess at these organizations who are doing so for a cause why those at the top aren’t following the company line. My guess is that the money you talk about had less to do with the CEO and more to do with those people– the work of field program people begging for money, grantwriters etc.. Regardless-they are telling people in the world who are struggling just to survive to make true sacrifices – like not to hunt bushmeat or kill predators that hunt their livestock while thy live fat. When you inject this kind of money-you lose credibility. Lets say this CEO’s salary was cut in half to a paltry 410K. he could probably manage to live on that-ya think? Do you know how much conservation work can be done oversees for that other 410K. A LOT. Many budget to save entire species are a fraction of that-but it won’t get done because these high ranking people want this money. So what then do you say when they come knocking on your door asking for 20$. You say-”ask your CEO to chip to pay for it”. Or more to the author of this book’s point-with the money coming from corporations-what is not getting done so that you can greenwash for this corporation.

]]> By: Ljilja, from Croatia http://calitreview.com/1249/comment-page-1#comment-32257 Ljilja, from Croatia Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:30:25 +0000 http://calitreview.com/?p=1249#comment-32257 Congratulations to Cristine! But these problems and situations exsists more than 10 years in all countries in East and Central Europe. But no one have courage to speak about it. Congratulations to Cristine! But these problems and situations exsists more than 10 years in all countries in East and Central Europe. But no one have courage to speak about it.

]]> By: kabuki http://calitreview.com/1249/comment-page-1#comment-32146 kabuki Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:01:26 +0000 http://calitreview.com/?p=1249#comment-32146 So some of the CEOs make high salaries...could you tell me why that is a bad thing??? Do we not want to draw the best and the brighest into this field so that there is success? We are a capitalist society, thank God, and there is NOTHING wrong with paying people well. Do you bother to mention that one of the examples you used, WCS, completed a $660M+ campaign over the last few years to accomplish a great deal of work? Considering those numbers, the salary pales to that of the corporate world. So some of the CEOs make high salaries…could you tell me why that is a bad thing??? Do we not want to draw the best and the brighest into this field so that there is success? We are a capitalist society, thank God, and there is NOTHING wrong with paying people well. Do you bother to mention that one of the examples you used, WCS, completed a $660M+ campaign over the last few years to accomplish a great deal of work? Considering those numbers, the salary pales to that of the corporate world.

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